Beginning to really hate pvp

[Esmoire]

I enjoy PvP, and frontlines, and I try to focus on self-improvement as fulfillment over whether or not my team gets first. That said, wow players can be dumb as bricks. I don't even ask that they play their job super amazingly or anything though sometimes you just get an alliance deadset on going after who ever is in second or third place with absolutely no interest in fighting for objectives. They don't check the map. They don't check the score situation. The worst of mob mentality just leads them unto oblivion.

I will put only some of the blame on the game's poor UI and explanations. Figure when you load into a frontline battleground, for example, you would get a screen with a tl;dr of the instructions, with a "Don't show me this again" checkbox, and something way better/cleaner than the guide popups this game tries to use. Can also do a better job of describing things in-game. Like, when you mouse over an ovoo, the tooltip should say how much it's worth to capture it. There's only few of them available at any given time so put waymarks on the general UI at all times. Just little icons on the edge of your screen where they are related to where you are facing.

Like this is just very basic multiplayer game stuff... Not sure where they went so wrong. Similarly the information on the website has so much useless nonsense before the crucial details. Should have a concise, executive summary, of the main points, right at the top, before getting into this verbose nonsense that doesn't sound vaguely like a human explaining to other humans. Also the problems of relying on the website to convey information: stuff like how melee/tanks take 30% less damage and deal 15% more damage in frontlines can only be found there. If people knew about that they would be making way better decisions in engagements.

A lot of this is an attack on frontlines, though could also apply to Rival Wings. Feast is in a nice place.

[Bright-Flower]

Honestly I've never enjoyed pvp in this game myself. When I want a glam form pvp I'll suffer through it, usually going whm and trying to heal people since I really have no idea what I'm doing beyond that. But if not for the pvp exclusive glams, hairstyles, mounts etc I'd probably never touch it.

[Renato]

I agree with what a lot that's been said here. Even though there are a lot of modes, many of them seem to result in most of the same outcomes when it comes down to the gameplay aspect. It's usually a clusterfuck that either has people waiting for nodes to spwan or just players zerging eachother ignoring the actual mechanics of PVP. I do enjoy the feast a bit though due to the fact that it's on a much smaller scale.

Honestly, all I want is the Commander's Coat but I've pretty much given up on that. I can't even bear the thought of having to the requirements for that.

[Vahlnir]

Personally, I never really liked PvP to begin with in this game. I think they only have it just so they can say they have it.

[SamRF]

Imo it wouldn't be a bad idea for SE to invest more in pvp. New players would then be able to do something interesting combat wise before reaching higher levels/endgame.

[Vahlnir]

Imo it wouldn't be a bad idea for SE to invest more in pvp. New players would then be able to do something interesting combat wise before reaching higher levels/endgame.

PvP wouldn't teach them to do much of anything though except ignore mechanics and kill things, which is what the majority of my experiences have been...people doing exactly that.

[Bright-Flower]

PvP wouldn't teach them to do much of anything though except ignore mechanics and kill things, which is what the majority of my experiences have been...people doing exactly that.

You can get into pvp at level 30 now can't you? A bit into ARR but not super long. I think people that enjoy pvp (I mean really enjoy it not people like me that pop in now and then because we want a glam/mount etc) are in the minority though.

[Theodric]

I have a love/hate relationship with PvP. I think it'd be a lot more interesting and enjoyable if it were limited to two teams fighting it out. I'd also like to see battle high removed and replaced with a bonus to experience and wolf marks received at the end of a match.

As for ranked PvP, I think it needs more rewards for participation. It's in dire need of fresh blood to help alleviate queue times and some meaningful incentives for those who don't make the top one hundred would go a long way towards encouraging engagement.

[Vahlnir]

I have a love/hate relationship with PvP. I think it'd be a lot more interesting and enjoyable if it were limited to two teams fighting it out. I'd also like to see battle high removed and replaced with a bonus to experience and wolf marks received at the end of a match.

As for ranked PvP, I think it needs more rewards for participation. It's in dire need of fresh blood to help alleviate queue times and some meaningful incentives for those who don't make the top one hundred would go a long way towards encouraging engagement.

Personally, I'd be more open to trying ranked PvP if I knew I was getting something for my time. It'd just have to be one heck of a carrot on the end of that stick. I'm not going to ask for the top 100 rewards to be removed, but maybe participation (say, 50 matches win or lose) could net people the latest ranked outfit, while the top 100 gets the outfit, mount and a title regardless of the number of matches they've played.

[Bright-Flower]

Personally, I'd be more open to trying ranked PvP if I knew I was getting something for my time. It'd just have to be one heck of a carrot on the end of that stick. I'm not going to ask for the top 100 rewards to be removed, but maybe participation (say, 50 matches win or lose) could net people the latest ranked outfit, while the top 100 gets the outfit, mount and a title regardless of the number of matches they've played.

This would get me to at least try out ranked. Though I don't know that I'd stick with it.