Beginning to really hate pvp

[Aivi_lo]

Mainly due to the enforced freelancer. I haven't had a win in ages, which is disheartening.
Got really excited thinking that we'd won, but it was the company from the duty beforehand. When we change I keep seeing the company I lost with last time win this time....
I swear its still just premades clearing up. Not I'm not even seeing the same faces/building up comraderie in a gc due to the enforced changes....

[ElazulHP]

Win rate *should* be 33% on average. That said in order to get the 100 wins for the mount I had to play 10 games a day for about a month to get the Construct VII mount.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The Forced Freelancer is there because the Original Matchmaking had you que in with your chosen Grand Company. And either not enough people were trying to que in between all 3, or the bulk of the Good Players were on one Grand Company (for the longest time it was the Twin Adder) and it created a weird unfair balance issue. At least every game I was in, the Twin Adder were the best, and the Maelstrom was the worse.

I like PvP myself...but my goodness is it frustrating.

[Kraniel]

I just ignore PvP as a whole. I just do my daily, and that's it.

PvE in this game is absolutely amazing, but PvP has to be one of the worst i've experienced so far. There's no thrill to it, and even the frontline map itself is badly designed in my opinion. I wish we would just have a map with fixed points that your alliance would need to capture and hold in order to get to the final objective, or something like that. This exists in a majority of games and is way more interesting than the current mode we have (or so i think).

The current frontline feels like a PvP sandbox mode that was made over night to satisfy players who kept requesting an alliance PvP mode.

And yes, i agree that the freelancer thing also makes it even more uninteresting. In other games i've played, rivalry made things more exciting. You would know when playing against a certain guild or alliance that certain famous names would be there, and you were looking forward to fight them, even if the odds were against you.

Overall i feel like the devs had too many dilemmas to deal with, and that by trying to please everyone, they ended up building something that the majority of the playerbase is not attracted to at all.

[hynaku]

I know maelstrom wins most on my server. I would look to see which grand company wins the most and join them for pvp.

[LalaRu]

...which grand company wins the most and join them...

That is the reason for forced freelance: too much people wants the "easy" way and will join the "right" GC for that. With freelance that is no more.

There still is the premade issue but better than nothing. Quite sad to see full 4 ppl groups go feed another GC clearly on purpose but no ground for any report.

[Enma_Ookami]

I just ignore PvE as a whole. I just do my daily, and that's it.

PvP in this game is absolutely amazing, but PvE has to be one of the worst i've experienced so far. There's no thrill to it, and even the savage trials itself is badly designed in my opinion. I wish we would just have a savage/extreme trials which are not scripted and memorized but actually required some skill like PvP. Everything in PvE can be quickly memorized and copy pasted to make constant clears, this is beyond casual level. There is no real difficulty in it whatsoever besides memorizing boss moves.

But in all seriousness:

PvP in FF14 is:
- The Feast - in my opinion the most personal skill based mode where you can actually prove how good you are with your job.
- Frontlines - meme, just a meme for yikes and fun
- Rival Wings - same as above, have fun and work on your job, but with more seriousness

A lot of times when I see people talking about pvp in ff14 - they only know FL, whenever I ask if they tried other modes, I hear either "no, I didn't tried them" or even more funny answers - "are there any other modes?".

@OP: If you hate FL so much but would like to enjoy PvP, you are welcome to try Feast, I recommend that.

[Esmoire]

I enjoy PvP, and frontlines, and I try to focus on self-improvement as fulfillment over whether or not my team gets first. That said, wow players can be dumb as bricks. I don't even ask that they play their job super amazingly or anything though sometimes you just get an alliance deadset on going after who ever is in second or third place with absolutely no interest in fighting for objectives. They don't check the map. They don't check the score situation. The worst of mob mentality just leads them unto oblivion.

I will put only some of the blame on the game's poor UI and explanations. Figure when you load into a frontline battleground, for example, you would get a screen with a tl;dr of the instructions, with a "Don't show me this again" checkbox, and something way better/cleaner than the guide popups this game tries to use. Can also do a better job of describing things in-game. Like, when you mouse over an ovoo, the tooltip should say how much it's worth to capture it. There's only few of them available at any given time so put waymarks on the general UI at all times. Just little icons on the edge of your screen where they are related to where you are facing.

Like this is just very basic multiplayer game stuff... Not sure where they went so wrong. Similarly the information on the website has so much useless nonsense before the crucial details. Should have a concise, executive summary, of the main points, right at the top, before getting into this verbose nonsense that doesn't sound vaguely like a human explaining to other humans. Also the problems of relying on the website to convey information: stuff like how melee/tanks take 30% less damage and deal 15% more damage in frontlines can only be found there. If people knew about that they would be making way better decisions in engagements.

A lot of this is an attack on frontlines, though could also apply to Rival Wings. Feast is in a nice place.

[BloodRubyXII]

I know maelstrom wins most on my server. I would look to see which grand company wins the most and join them for pvp.

This is probably why this thread is best served in the PvP section - the GC you are in does not matter in PvP anymore and hasn't for a few months now.

Another reason being you post in here all you're going to get is straight self validation and every negative of PvP possible and it's not going to motivate you in the slightest.

[Bright-Flower]

Honestly I've never enjoyed pvp in this game myself. When I want a glam form pvp I'll suffer through it, usually going whm and trying to heal people since I really have no idea what I'm doing beyond that. But if not for the pvp exclusive glams, hairstyles, mounts etc I'd probably never touch it.