Trying to understand player behavour with MB & MSQ dungeons

[Kamatsu]

Hope this is the right place for this, but I'm trying to understand some players behavours regarding both marketboards as well as the lvl 50 MSQ duneons.

1. MSQ dungeons "skipping" cutscenes.

Not a point about whether they should or shouldn't be skippable, I know this is a touchy issue. Curious as to why some people do what they do to still skip cutscene's in the lvl 50 MSQ queue dungeon.

I'm curious, because I've timed it... and when it happens it shortens the run by 2-3 minutes generally (and this with groups that are clearing the fights fairly quickly). I honestly don't see the point in going to the length's they do to save 2-3 minutes.

2. Marketboard selling under merchant prices.

I can understand undercutting people (and no, I'm not asking this because I've been undercut lol), even extreme undercutting... heck, even the ppl who sell at the auto-price which is merchant price. What I don't understand is why ppl would sell a significant amount of stuff under the amount they'd make selling to a npc?

IE. Say an item sells to a npc merchant for 200 gill, they put it up on the MB for 100 gil. That's a complete loss... and I'm not talking about 1-2 items, I'm talking about lots of 20-99 in multiple batches.

Are these bots/ppl trying to kill the market for these items so they can then control them? ie majorly undercut, then when ppl stop selling because no profit... yank the price up to high level's... and hope the profit from doing this is greater than the profit if they'd just sold 'at market level'?

[MPK]

1. If you get a bunch of people it's more than 2-3 mins. Like a LOT more
2. Cuz I want gil now

[VenKitsune]

2. Cuz I want gil now

That makes no sense. Your retainer can act as a vendor, you can sell items to them directly at vendor prices, and you have to use your retainers to sell it on the marketboard.

[Rasikko]

2. Cuz I want gil now

This is stupid(the mentality) because I've run into this crap in FFXI with crystals and stuff. Folks just kept on undercutting and undercutting and UNDERCUTTING because they want THEIRS to sell RIGHT FREAKING NOW so much that it crashes that item's marker and you would actually profit more by selling it to a vendor..

[Awha]

This is stupid(the mentality) because I've run into this crap in FFXI with crystals and stuff. Folks just kept on undercutting and undercutting and UNDERCUTTING because they want THEIRS to sell RIGHT FREAKING NOW so much that it crashes that item's marker and you would actually profit more by selling it to a vendor..

I mean it makes sense if the person has the desire to crash the market, especially when it generally annoys others. I could only imagine it is oddly satisfying to know that ones actions lead to a crash in a certain market, especially when one may have so much gil they have nothing else to do with it.

[Gokuhan]

if you see people selling that far before npc price, buy and npc it yourself for profit! d(^_^d)

most people probably dont bother to look at npc price.

[Tranquilmelody7]

2. Charity listings while also being eager to get rid of the respective item.
Selling an item to a NPC vendor essentially deletes said item from the game, and sometimes I'd rather take a loss and see if I can sell common items to anyone who may need them.

On that note, Buying vendor distributed items en masse to resell for profit is generally ineffective.
You may get lucky and profit off of ignorant players who don't read vendor prices, but odds are you'll just end up trying to rid yourself of items you don't want or need.

[Canadane]

Back when they were legitimately skippable, not watching cutscenes would take off half an hour if not more to the run.

[Gemina]

1. High risk. Low gain. If you're talking about the DC method, that is strictly prohibited and well... they like to gamble I guess. I think someone did some math on this that showed something like all DPS players would have to do it, otherwise virtually no time is shaved off. Whatever time is lessened (which is minuscule) is absorbed from the first encounter with Ultima Weapon because of his invulnerability at the beginning of the fight. This just leaves the second encounter with UW and Lahabrea. Each of whom cannot be burned down before everyone else loads in... after all the cutscenes.

2. Equally as idiotic or ignorant. These players either don't care or don't know that their retainer can take care of the transaction right there and then. It's crazy too because even if you do put it up for sale, your retainer starts the default price at its vendor selling price. So they are deliberately taking an extra step to even lower the cost.

So yeah. Some loons out there man. Not much else I can say about it.

[DumdogsWorld]

2. Equally as idiotic or ignorant. These players either don't care or don't know that their retainer can take care of the transaction right there and then.

Well, that's a bold thing to say. It's not always about the gil.

Before I got all my crafters to 80, I would craft 30 HQ level 1 items per week for the challenge log. I mean, it's free exp for like 5 minutes of effort. But then what do I do with the 30 HQ iron ingots or whatever that I just made?

I make sure that somebody else uses them, rather than deleting them. I give them away. And the MB doesn't allow zero-gil listings.

Sue me.