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    How about if they made going through the MSQ account-wide? Meaning that you only had to do the MSQ once on your account and if you have alts, you didn't need to do them on said alts again?

    It would completely invalidate the sale of MSQ jump potions but...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centershock View Post
    How about if they made going through the MSQ account-wide? Meaning that you only had to do the MSQ once on your account and if you have alts, you didn't need to do them on said alts again?

    It would completely invalidate the sale of MSQ jump potions but...
    SE is a business though and a business isn't looking to cut their profits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arillyn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Centershock View Post
    How about if they made going through the MSQ account-wide? Meaning that you only had to do the MSQ once on your account and if you have alts, you didn't need to do them on said alts again?

    It would completely invalidate the sale of MSQ jump potions but...
    SE is a business though and a business isn't looking to cut their profits.
    It's not that simple though. They could perhaps make more profit (long term) by adding an option to make MSQ account wide.

    It would lead to better replayability --> (significantly?) more people making alts --> more gametime --> more player satisfaction --> more chance players stay subscribed --> more standard subscription instead of entry subscription (bc multiple chars) --> more profit?

    Hard to know but I think they would be better off if they offered an option to make MSQ account-wide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    It's not that simple though. They could perhaps make more profit (long term) by adding an option to make MSQ account wide.

    It would lead to better replayability --> (significantly?) more people making alts --> more gametime --> more player satisfaction --> more chance players stay subscribed --> more standard subscription instead of entry subscription (bc multiple chars) --> more profit?

    Hard to know but I think they would be better off if they offered an option to make MSQ account-wide.
    Maybe. I have alts and I've never bought a skip potion. The MSQ isn't that hard to get through when you've already done it once. But I wouldn't necessarily say no to them adding that as an option for alts on the same account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    [Making MSQ account wide] would lead to better replayability --> (significantly?) more people making alts --> more gametime --> more player satisfaction --> more chance players stay subscribed --> more standard subscription instead of entry subscription (bc multiple chars) --> more profit?
    How does giving an option to skip replaying something add "better replayability"?

    Also people might make more alts but you've just cut out most of the time they would have to spend playing with those alts to get them through the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    How does giving an option to skip replaying something add "better replayability"?

    Also people might make more alts but you've just cut out most of the time they would have to spend playing with those alts to get them through the game.
    That's fine. I can't get through the MSQ on my alt, that's why I don't play it. It's way too much slog for no return. I wouldn't even consider doing the MSQ a bonus, but rather, a massive detriment in alt making.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    How does giving an option to skip replaying something add "better replayability"?

    Also people might make more alts but you've just cut out most of the time they would have to spend playing with those alts to get them through the game.
    With "better" I mean "more enjoyable" or "more convenient". I'm sure there are people who avoid making alts due to MSQ (me being one of them) which immediately leads to this game having worse replayability for them. All players get what they want if its optional to make MSQ account-wide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    With "better" I mean "more enjoyable" or "more convenient". I'm sure there are people who avoid making alts due to MSQ (me being one of them) which immediately leads to this game having worse replayability for them. All players get what they want if its optional to make MSQ account-wide.
    Define "replayability" then, because I would understand it to mean how enjoyable it is to play the game again from start to finish.

    If your alt can immediately jump to the end of the game then, by definition, you are not replaying the game.

    It would boost your ability to have multiple characters at endgame, but you wouldn't have to replay anything to get there - except maybe levelling dungeons, but they're a separate element with a question of individual replayability, separate to the game as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Define "replayability" then, because I would understand it to mean how enjoyable it is to play the game again from start to finish.

    If your alt can immediately jump to the end of the game then, by definition, you are not replaying the game.

    It would boost your ability to have multiple characters at endgame, but you wouldn't have to replay anything to get there - except maybe levelling dungeons, but they're a separate element with a question of individual replayability, separate to the game as a whole.
    Okay then forget about semantics of "replayability", it doesn't matter. Bottom line is that more people will be making alts. Leveling and playing alts will lead to more gametime, just like how leveling alt jobs on your main leads to more gametime. Having mandatory MSQ for alts will greatly increase amount of time you'd need to progress those chars, but it also probably (greatly) decreases amount of players who will create and play alts, thus resulting in lower overall gametime when taking whole playerbase into account.

    With "gametime" I just mean how much time you spend ingame (/playtime). Obviously I'm making assumptions here and even though I'd say they aren't really far fetched, they're still just my assumption and opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centershock View Post
    How about if they made going through the MSQ account-wide? Meaning that you only had to do the MSQ once on your account and if you have alts, you didn't need to do them on said alts again?

    It would completely invalidate the sale of MSQ jump potions but...
    Not likely to happen. FFXIV does very little that's account wide aside from some rewards like the falcon mount, veteran rewards etc. Even most mog station purposes go to a single character.

    It really feels like they thought 'oh well you can do everything with one character in this game so nobody's going to need alts' and never put thought into it after that.
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