Option to unlock content without mandatory MSQ

[Alacran]

Question, In skipping said MSQ, would you still feel you are entitled to MSQ rewards, glamours, minions, emotes, gil, and the like? Would you expect a flood of threads asking why those skippers who never get those items to complain as to why they get excluded from rewards specifically tied to the MSQ?


Where does the entitlement end?

[Kuroka]

Would it be feasible to add an option to unlock instances without making it mandatory to do MSQ?

Most MMOs don't have such a (long) main mandatory questline to unlock content and allow players to journey through the game however they like. People who don't care much for story will have a terrible time in FFXIV.

...which simply means its the wrong kind of game for them. Im not gettin GoD because the landscapes are pretty but i hate all that shooting and explosions, either. I just dont see why "its a mmo and i wanna raid" is a valid excuse for this...

[TaleraRistain]

I'd be against it. The commitment to the story is one of the things that makes FFXIV unique in MMOs. We have plenty of MMOs who don't care about story. Let's keep the one that does as it is.

[sauc]

Lotta people here ignoring the part he said ''optional''. I would have 100% have leveled through just spamming dungeons,fates,collecting bear asses etc like all other mmos. The msq made me quit in 2013 and nearly made me quit again, alot of us couldn't possibly care less about a story and just want to play an mmo. The rest of you would lose out on nothing. All I see is ''I want to force you to go through something you don't want to because I liked it and so should you.''

But as it's already been said they sell story skip potions so it won't ever be an option sadly. It's mere existence means there's enough people who don't want to do it and they figured they could cash out on it.

[dangadget]

Lotta people here ignoring the part he said ''optional''. I would have 100% have leveled through just spamming dungeons,fates,collecting bear asses etc like all other mmos. The msq made me quit in 2013 and nearly made me quit again, alot of us couldn't possibly care less about a story and just want to play an mmo. The rest of you would lose out on nothing. All I see is ''I want to force you to go through something you don't want to because I liked it and so should you.''

But as it's already been said they sell story skip potions so it won't ever be an option sadly. It's mere existence means there's enough people who don't want to do it and they figured they could cash out on it.

Not at all, completely got that the first time around, but the other part of that statement was free, and that is the part that I feel would be detrimental to the character of the game.
There is no demonstrable need to "widen" or "expand" the playerbase by appealing to those who do not actually want to play a Final Fantasy MMO

[sauc]

Not at all, completely got that the first time around, but the other part of that statement was free, and that is the part that I feel would be detrimental to the character of the game.
There is no demonstrable need to "widen" or "expand" the playerbase by appealing to those who do not actually want to play a Final Fantasy MMO

Are you saying that people who play the game simply because it has the final fantasy name would quit in droves if it was optional? Seems like a rather petty reason. Even if it did I doubt it would make the number of people who quit greater than the number of people the game would keep thanks to the msq. I don't think it's a secret to anyone that the msq and the extremely slow combat at the start are huge player retention killers. Those 2 things are among the most repeated criticism of the game.

But as I said already: potion skip. That alone likely tilts the pros over cons to square. Well that and they are likely unable to change it even if they wanted to.

[dangadget]

Are you saying that people who play the game simply because it has the final fantasy name would quit in droves if it was optional? Seems like a rather petty reason. Even if it did I doubt it would make the number of people who quit greater than the number of people the game would keep thanks to the msq. I don't think it's a secret to anyone that the msq and the extremely slow combat at the start are huge player retention killers. Those 2 things are among the most repeated criticism of the game.

But as I said already: potion skip. That alone likely tilts the pros over cons to square. Well that and they are likely unable to change it even if they wanted to.

No, what I am saying is that if the game lost focus on the story, and if the playerbase only increased significantly because of a large influx of players who don't care about the story, the character and nature of the game would change such that, yes, a large portion of the existing fanbase would likely leave

[sauc]

No, what I am saying is that if the game lost focus on the story, and if the playerbase only increased significantly because of a large influx of players who don't care about the story, the character and nature of the game would change such that, yes, a large portion of the existing fanbase would likely leave

It wouldn't lose it's focus, all of it would still be there.

[Kenky]

See.. The issue here is that, well..

It's a Final Fantasy Game. I know that's been said in this particular thread countless times, but I think it should be clarified what a "Final Fantasy" game is. It's main goal is to tell a story, with little bits here and there to round it all out.

There are 13 (more than 13 actually) other titles that hammer it over the players head that anything with "Final Fantasy" in the title is going to prioritize story-telling and cinematics. If it can't tell the story, or if you don't care about the story, then why are you picking up a Final Fantasy game? Why give it time when you clearly don't want what it offers?

You want an MMO that lets you level however you please? Go play WoW, or GW2 or any other MMO that credits itself as a mindless hack-and-slash fest. You're not really going to win any supporters of get any favours when you cry about a Final Fantasy game being a Final Fantasy game, even though you read the name on the tin. It's not like you open a pack of peanuts and a plug-socket suddenly springs out at you, eh?

And lastly. With all of the dungeons (with the exception of Post-expansion dungeons and Dusk Vigil in Heavensward) the story gives you a legitimate reason and even offers your character motive to DO said dungeon, or raid, or whatever-have-you. Because it ties into the story. Plenty of dungeons in ARR pit you against voidsent, primal worshippers or those that pose too great a threat for the local guards to deal with. in Heavensward, you're fighting and pushing back the Dravanian tide, in Stormblood you're amassing an army to fight the Garleans, even if it means proving your worth to strangers.

They all matter. They all play a part in the over-arching story and, again, if you don't care about the story, then FFXIV isn't an MMO for you. No ifs, ands or buts here. They know what they're selling and who their audience is. They don't need to "reach a broader market" because it's pretty damn clear than whenever an MMO decides to do so, they suddenly catch on fire and burn out. Or shall we forget the dumbing down of WoW over the past few expansions, purely to cater to anyone and everyone? And that's not just mechanics, but story too. Every part of it just being white-washed into "These guys good. Those guys bad. Kill bad."

[sauc]

See.. The issue here is that, well..

It's a Final Fantasy Game. I know that's been said in this particular thread countless times, but I think it should be clarified what a "Final Fantasy" game is. It's main goal is to tell a story, with little bits here and there to round it all out.

There are 13 (more than 13 actually) other titles that hammer it over the players head that anything with "Final Fantasy" in the title is going to prioritize story-telling and cinematics. If it can't tell the story, or if you don't care about the story, then why are you picking up a Final Fantasy game?

You want an MMO that lets you level however you please? Go play WoW, or GW2 or any other MMO that credits itself as a mindless hack-and-slash fest. You're not really going to win any supporters of get any favours when you cry about a Final Fantasy game being a Final Fantasy game, even though you read the name on the tin. It's not like you open a pack of peanuts and a plug-socket suddenly springs out at you, eh?

The only other 2 ff titles i played were 7 and tactics advanced on an emulator. I paid no attention at all to the story but still found them enjoyable so not sure why people think if it says ''final fantasy'' it means 90% reading and watching cutscenes. The msq isn't really anything like those games.

And wow never catered to story when it as growing in subs, so that's not why it's crashing and burning. It's crashing and burning because of things like island expeditions warfronts titanforging etc