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    Quote Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia View Post
    Apparently this thread is important enough to you that you keep checking it and trying at personal insults instead of just putting in your two cents and letting it go. So in the obtuse and other things dept at least I have company
    Quote Originally Posted by HiirNoivl View Post
    You don't even know if its "stock" You're just saying it's a "stock letter" because it states the plainly obvious (obvious to everyone but you) and it's not what you want to read.
    point and case ^^
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    Remind me of what the point is? Oh yeah right...

    You're upset because SE didn't say "OMG we will roll over and ban everyone you want us to. Just send us the list."
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiirNoivl View Post
    Remind me of what the point is? Oh yeah right...

    You're upset because SE didn't say "OMG we will roll over and ban everyone you want us to. Just send us the list."
    You just cant stop proving who the obtuse and other things one here is can you
    haha
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    I'm the only one bumping your thread now.

    Be nice to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    No, I assure you. I got it
    You did huh? Let me put it in a different light, then. Of course simply opting out of something is the most common sense way to rectify an unfavorable situation. However, in some cases there are extenuating circumstances that might prohibit one from simply dropping the case because it's the 'easiest' answer to the problem. In the adult world, we realize this, and generally don't appreciate such black-and-white thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoo View Post
    You did huh? Let me put it in a different light, then. Of course simply opting out of something is the most common sense way to rectify an unfavorable situation. However, in some cases there are extenuating circumstances that might prohibit one from simply dropping the case because it's the 'easiest' answer to the problem. In the adult world, we realize this, and generally don't appreciate such black-and-white thinking.
    Are you sure you understood Akira? I believe he said that if you don't like RMT, not to play MMOs.

    It's not simply opting out, or avoiding a problem. It's being realistic that there will always be RMTs in MMOs.

    The question isn't whether or not you can wipe them out, but if you can make life hell for them by repeatedly suspending/banning their accounts and/or implementing measures that make it difficult for them to grind massive amounts of in-game currency.

    In both cases, the devs need to take extreme care not to negatively effect the gameplay experience of honest paying customers. Consider RMTs who have multiple accounts and rotate them in intervals. That is only an example of how some RMTs may avoid suspicion. RMTs have been banned in this game. There are those of us who know this. Some have been around for a very long time- we see them time and time again. It goes to show some are easier to spot than others.

    In game we can see a funny named lalafell who is repeatedly gathering and be quick to pass judgement that they are botting RMTs, but I assure you there is an abundance of cases where we'd be wrong.

    In conclusion, this thread will serve no ultimate purpose to aid the battle against RMT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    Are you sure you understood Akira? I believe he said that if you don't like RMT, not to play MMOs.
    And his response seems like an acceptable one, to you? If so, carry on, but I don't have to.
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    Hello again.

    I am terribly sorry my locking the thread upset so many people, that was not my intent. I closed the thread as I had provided a means to report the RMTs you have witnessed and did not realize that further debate was needed; I shall keep this in mind for further cases.

    I will try to comment as I can on your points.

    You mentioned you have placed a number of reports to the Special Task Force, and I wish I could offer more follow up on why you may still be seeing these people in game. The Special Task Force keeps their investigation means and agenda private so that counter measures cannot be developed; RMT company's adapt very quickly to investigation means so we always need to evolve and adapt our methods.

    For your concerns over placing in game calls, we had opted to send in game messages to you thanking you for the reports. We will also submit any names, if included, to our Task Force for further review. While the GMs handle "Terms of Service Violations" there are just some issues, like RMT, that required a special department to be created. The GMs can investigate some general reports, but the bulk of the investigation needs to be done by our Task Force. The in game message we send is to stop us from interrupting your game play; sometimes you are busy with fights and the GM tells can cause you to get distracted and die.

    I wish I could offer you a more "personal" reply and say "Yes, I'll get right on Banning those folks now!" but it is not that easy. As was mentioned, we want to ensure the proper actions are taken and "innocent" players are not unjustly punished. At the same time, we cannot reveal any action taken on accounts due to our Privacy Policy.

    I will leave this thread open, but but if the Forum rules are violated, we can opt to close this thread at any time. In addition, we may not offer any further replies

    Thank you for your understanding and continued support.

    -Senior Game Master Jhanaka
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    Last edited by Jhanaka; 03-31-2012 at 08:31 AM.

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    There's really nothing any sort of discussion could bring in this subject. Ever.
    This. </10char>
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    Oh, look. A GM wrote that. It must be another stock letter... you know.. cuz the grammar isn't all over the place like most posts on the forums.
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