Can we please delay Savage?

[Awha]

What does one lose with a one week delay? This seems silly. Are people getting upset because others feel a result like this is a sign of failing at adulting or something? I cannot see how delaying the content by one week changes anything. Doesn't SE delay the content at the start of an expansion? I do not think it is unfair to of people to ask SE to do the same for savage.

[Thoosa]

I said that the priority for a hardcore raider is likely to be getting into savage ASAP, so they will likely skip the raid story, because every other hardcore raider will be doing the same because world first is a race right?

A delay would be nice, but there are other perspectives l.

[Barraind]

This is where your argument flaws apart. They already delay Savage. Only the subsequent two tiers are released alongside Normal mode.

They delay savage 33% of the time, for reasons that dont exist for the other 2/3'ds of tiers. Theyve said exactly why they release savage late initially, and it doesnt actually make sense there, either.

There is not 10 levels of grinding and 6 zones of content required in order to unlock subsequent raid tiers. The only quests required is the breadcrumb quest that gets you back into the raid area (for Omega and Eden) or to a new NPC in Hinterlands (for Alexander) and the quest given to unlock savage once you do normal. Subsequent raid tiers do not require more MSQ completion nor gear grinding.

[Vahlnir]

I'm not sure where people are getting the "but muh first week clear!" thing from, honestly. Even if it were delayed by a week it would still be a week one clear because it literally wasn't available until then. I have no horse in this race since I don't really do Savage while its relevant but I still think its silly to say that a delay of a week or so would affect one's clear rate or pacing. Savage raiders are gonna raid whenever they get the chance, whether it's day one of a new patch or week 2 after most have gone through normal mode.

[SinisterJoints]

I'm not sure where people are getting the "but muh first week clear!" thing from, honestly. Even if it were delayed by a week it would still be a week one clear because it literally wasn't available until then. I have no horse in this race since I don't really do Savage while its relevant but I still think its silly to say that a delay of a week or so would affect one's clear rate or pacing. Savage raiders are gonna raid whenever they get the chance, whether it's day one of a new patch or week 2 after most have gone through normal mode.

But why??

Why delay it a week? Give me one reason that doesn't revolve around personal preference. Nobody can, only "I feel rushed" "I cant get vacation" "I work" etc etc. It's absolutely hilarious that nobody will admit past their own preference.

I don't want it delayed because it takes a choice away from me and many others. It does not matter if you want it or not, that is a FACT. If you delay savage you take away from other peoples choice TO DO IT.

It doesn't matter that the new week 1 is still week 1. You are still taking a choice from me. (and anyone else)

Where as the way it is now, everyone is free to choose.(and if you say you dont have a choice, it is literally on you, not me, not SE or anyone else...YOU) If you aren't free to choose when the patch hits, then that is on you is it not? It's not about anything other than that.


This is as cut and dry as it gets

The highlight parts are where you said it; literally in the very same paragraph.

Your entire argument hinges on you not wanting the delay because you don't care if it bothers anyone else. Your preference is to have Savage immediately. Mine, and several others judging by the response to this thread, is to have Savage delayed. Cool. We both have differing opinions. Now why does your opinion trump anyone else's? If you "don't care" about anyone's position but your own, why should they care about yours?

In layman's terms: we have a simple disagreement. But only you are demanding your argument is correct because you made it.

Read Above, im not demanding that my argument is correct. it IS correct. Right now is the most fair so that EVERYONE is free to choose WHAT THEY WANT. Anything short of how it is now, takes a choice away.

[Enla]

Read Above, im not demanding that my argument is correct. it IS correct. Right now is the most fair so that EVERYONE is free to choose WHAT THEY WANT. Anything short of how it is now, takes a choice away.

Technically delaying it a week provides more choice as it gives players more notice to call out of work. FF14 isn't always the best when it comes to giving timely confirmation on the dates for patch releases, and in some cases it cuts very close to the cut off time most employers are comfortable with their employees asking for vacation time. Giving people an extra week goes a long way to securing the time off they might need if their statics decide to make the attempt when Savage or Ultimate drop. Thus allowing more people to CHOOSE as you keep on emphasizing is the biggest issue at play. Likewise as Vahlnir stated it's not like it matters because if it was delayed a week it's not as if you could have gone in earlier to begin with so no choice is being robbed of you in that regard.

[Sebazy]

But why??

You're sitting here screeching away, spewing vitriol and poison over a choice that you've never once nor likely will ever take.

The answers to your first question have been stated clearly, concisely and repeatedly but you ignore them every time because you are so utterly caught up in defending a 'choice' that you have no stock in that you're missing the fact that a very significant chunk of the people that grab this choice with both hands would actually rather not have to.

I may not be a hardcore prog raider myself anymore, but I'm still in an FC filled with them, and I don't see them kicking off and complaining about the staggered content releases we see after each expansion. The raid being delayed for a day or a week makes no difference in the grand scheme of things. But being able to actually kick back and enjoy the story in this game would.

[Tlachtga]

But why??

Why delay it a week? Give me one reason that doesn't revolve around personal preference. Nobody can, only "I feel rushed" "I cant get vacation" "I work" etc etc. It's absolutely hilarious that nobody will admit past their own preference.

I don't want it delayed because it takes a choice away from me and many others. It does not matter if you want it or not, that is a FACT. If you delay savage you take away from other peoples choice TO DO IT.

It doesn't matter that the new week 1 is still week 1. You are still taking a choice from me. (and anyone else)

Where as the way it is now, everyone is free to choose.(and if you say you dont have a choice, it is literally on you, not me, not SE or anyone else...YOU) If you aren't free to choose when the patch hits, then that is on you is it not? It's not about anything other than that.


This is as cut and dry as it gets



Read Above, im not demanding that my argument is correct. it IS correct. Right now is the most fair so that EVERYONE is free to choose WHAT THEY WANT. Anything short of how it is now, takes a choice away.

Typical XIV player, only giving a damn about themselves.

[SinisterJoints]

You're sitting here screeching away, spewing vitriol and poison over a choice that you've never once nor likely will ever take.

The answers to your first question have been stated clearly, concisely and repeatedly but you ignore them every time because you are so utterly caught up in defending a 'choice' that you have no stock in that you're missing the fact that a very significant chunk of the people that grab this choice with both hands would actually rather not have to.

I may not be a hardcore prog raider myself anymore, but I'm still in an FC filled with them, and I don't see them kicking off and complaining about the staggered content releases we see after each expansion. The raid being delayed for a day or a week makes no difference in the grand scheme of things. But being able to actually kick back and enjoy the story in this game would.

I dont see them in here screaming about it not being delayed either. You can turn my words into whatever poison you want. Facts are Facts. I don't have to be a hardcore raid progger to use logic. Removing something takes away, it really is that simple. Leaving it as it is, leaves it all open for everyone to choose.

Why this dilusion that you cant enjoy something that's literally there for you to enjoy? Self infliction

So, go ahead, kick back and enjoy the story. That's what its there for

Oh and before you embarrass yourself by assuming I don't raid, I do at my leisure without feeling rushed, or slighted in anyway. Thank you SE for the plethora of content that I can enjoy at my leisure without some ill conceived notion that I cant enjoy it because my static demands I skip cutscenes LOL

[Sebazy]

I dont see them in here screaming about it not being delayed either.

Because if you knew anything about this game's high end raid scene, you'd know that very few of them post here because of the numerous bans on these forums over theory crafting and number crunching in the past.

You can dress it up with all the toxicity you want, it doesn't change the fact that a simple delay of 1 day would solve this problem. But then that wouldn't give you your dopamine fix from threads like these would it now.

Oh and before you embarrass yourself by assuming I don't raid, I do at my leisure without feeling rushed, or slighted in anyway. Thank you SE for the plethora of content that I can enjoy at my leisure without some ill conceived notion that I cant enjoy it because my static demands I skip cutscenes LOL

I'd say your understanding of progression raiding is up there with your knowledge of workplace holiday arrangements. Very very narrow.