Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 13
  1. #1
    Player
    Sabrenn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2015
    Location
    Gridania
    Posts
    122
    Character
    Sabrenn Zaeis
    World
    Lich
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80

    SCH: Deployment tactics slight adjustment request.

    Since SHB, we lost Eye for an Eye that used to be spreadable and we can't spread a "critlo" double shield anymore since catalyze was introduced and that's not spreadable. The new seraphic shield isn't spreadable either.

    So the only things we can currently spread is: galvanize and slightly higher number galvanize (but not double the value like it used to be)

    Considering how the delay from cast of shield to deployment is temperamental even if you wait long enough sometimes it still doesn't do it, and it's impossible to spread from fairy anymore so the shield sometimes gets eaten by mechanics before it can even be deployed, would it be crazy to ask for deploy to come with the shield built in? AST got their QoL with Minor Arcana including the card draw in the minor arcana application button. I feel like this is a similar enough change.

    For example, it could act like cure 3 where instead of just healing from the target in a short radius, it would heal + shield from the target, so you keep the effect of spreading a shield from a distance in the same smaller radius it currently has, but it's still casted to avoid making it overpowered (and too similar to celestial opposition in nocturnal stance). So if you wanted a "critlo" you would still be able to do recitation > deployment and it would do the same effect it currently has except this time it would guarantee the spread instead.

    Since there's nothing else that can be spread I don't fully understand the reasoning behind removing bane but keeping deployment tactics as it is.

    I would like to see that a change made that would benefit us a lot considering we already deal with so many fairy delays and bugs as it is already.

    What do people think? Would this become OP or do you think this would make it worse?
    (12)

  2. #2
    Player
    KDSilver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Posts
    1,533
    Character
    Shiru Elysia
    World
    Moogle
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 100
    You shouldn't be deploying 1-3s before any mechanic/raid wide aoe/any damage, but at least 10s before.
    Shields are meant to be prevention, and prevention has to be plan earlier.
    (0)

  3. #3
    Player
    FoxCh40s's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2020
    Posts
    332
    Character
    Source Eldion
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    I dont think that's really what they are saying; I agree with her, all the things they took out but left in deployment tactics.

    I think they are more saying it's an unusual thing, and asking why it didnt either get removed or get updated.

    I feel it's just a sign the state the job is in, nothing is cohesive anymore, nothing flows together anymore, it's all this hodgepodge of a job.
    (12)

  4. #4
    Player Mortex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Posts
    967
    Character
    Rigor Mortex
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 100
    When you try to weave fast and adlo spread but the spread is 0,5 sec to early after the critlo spread nerf I would give deployment a shield base line and make it always crit with recitation
    (0)

  5. #5
    Player
    Brandedblade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Location
    Limsa Lominsa
    Posts
    841
    Character
    Gunther Frey
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mortex View Post
    When you try to weave fast and adlo spread but the spread is 0,5 sec to early after the critlo spread nerf I would give deployment a shield base line and make it always crit with recitation
    I tend to find popping a Ruin II right after casting the Adloquium gives enough time for the game to register that I have a shield on me (most of the time I deploy off myself since if the tank is taking autos it will eat shields.)
    (0)

  6. #6
    Player
    WaxSw's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Posts
    657
    Character
    Waxillium Larede
    World
    Twintania
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 100
    I think that a good change for that skill would be to become a buff, similar to excog you could apply deployment tactics to a party member (or yourself) and if that party member has a shield or gets a shield while the buff is active the shield is spreaded to nearby allies. That would solve both the weaving problems of Adlo->Deploy and the malfunctions created because shield's delay.
    (4)
    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    Emnity management is a group responsibility, HP management is a group responsibility, Mitigation is a group responsibility ,DPS is a group responsibility
    Anybody saying "I only want to <x>" just tells me they are lazy and selfish.

  7. #7
    Player
    Limonia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    511
    Character
    Elrica Lavandula
    World
    Omega
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
    I think that a good change for that skill would be to become a buff, similar to excog you could apply deployment tactics to a party member (or yourself) and if that party member has a shield or gets a shield while the buff is active the shield is spreaded to nearby allies. That would solve both the weaving problems of Adlo->Deploy and the malfunctions created because shield's delay.
    So technically similar to Plenary Indulgence or Horoscope, in that they only take effect after you cast the heal? Sounds much better than it's now.
    (1)

  8. #8
    Player
    EaMett's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    1,430
    Character
    Ea Sin
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    I just want catalize to take damage before galvanize. I don't understand why this isn't a thing. Feels like a bug or an oversight, but since we're still chasing fairy bugs nobody's really been complaining about that.
    (8)

  9. #9
    Player
    Sloprano's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    282
    Character
    Quilia Labro
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrenn View Post
    I don't fully understand the reasoning behind removing bane but keeping deployment tactics as it is.
    Don't worry, nobody does. Don't think even SE does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrenn View Post
    What do people think? Would this become OP or do you think this would make it worse?
    It really is a criminally underutilized skill for what unique things Scholar can and could do. With E4E gone and a critted deoplyed Galv shielding less than eight of a tank's hp, and like a fifth of a healer's, with the introduction of the kneecap injury called Catalyze SE's coined phrasing SCH as "shield healer" is awfully quaint.

    As much as I love my inconveniences of waiting a second to deploy, having to combo Recitation into DT could force a spreaded 250% Galvanize shield originate from your target or yourself and would maybe stop people being tripped up from server ticks not registering there is a shield on your target resulting in "DT has no effect."

    Despite having a ton of utility hacked out there is the hope that we could see more skills work in different combinations both offensively, restorative and supportive. ET already has short cooldown and the Fey Gauge is just beeing to have more meaningful use.
    (5)

  10. #10
    Player
    Brandedblade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Location
    Limsa Lominsa
    Posts
    841
    Character
    Gunther Frey
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloprano View Post
    Don't worry, nobody does. Don't think even SE does.



    It really is a criminally underutilized skill for what unique things Scholar can and could do. With E4E gone and a critted deoplyed Galv shielding less than eight of a tank's hp, and like a fifth of a healer's, with the introduction of the kneecap injury called Catalyze SE's coined phrasing SCH as "shield healer" is awfully quaint.

    As much as I love my inconveniences of waiting a second to deploy, having to combo Recitation into DT could force a spreaded 250% Galvanize shield originate from your target or yourself and would maybe stop people being tripped up from server ticks not registering there is a shield on your target resulting in "DT has no effect."

    Despite having a ton of utility hacked out there is the hope that we could see more skills work in different combinations both offensively, restorative and supportive. ET already has short cooldown and the Fey Gauge is just beeing to have more meaningful use.
    First off I'm going to start with OP. It's true that deployment tactics has some issues with reactability, unfortunately until that's addressed, the best you can do is learn to be more preemptive and space out your abilites.

    Now for the post I quoted.

    The whole point of nerfing critlo the way they have is because SCH now has Recitation to give a guaranteed critlo. There was no way we where getting that cooldown without critlo being nerfed.

    Critlo was balanced around the rng of critical heals, and now that rng can be mitigated. Which makes it way to powerful. I can give an example, in O9s deploying a critlo during the earth phase completely nullifies the debuff tanks and healers get that requires them to be healed for full. Whereas the dps arent harmed by it if they fail their mechanic properly because they'll take more then enough damage irregardless.

    Tl;dr Critlo was too strong of a mechanic and had to be nerfed in order for Recitation+Deploy make fights a joke (or if your a 'good player', even more of one)
    (1)

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast