So about that new dungeon

[Wavaryen]

What were we to do? Let her kill us? She decided to fight despite being pregnant.

I mean it feels like it is a waste. Fish eggs would sell so much on the market. I'm more upset we could not gut her.

[Theodric]

What were we to do? Let her kill us? She decided to fight despite being pregnant.

She was the one under attack. She didn't strike first.

[Alleo]

She was the one under attack. She didn't strike first.

Lets not forget that the others had tried to talk to them and tried to make peace to them only to suffer attacks and get important food stolen. They were the aggressors. If they should have hated someone then it should have been us and Bismark but seemingly they already hated people before that and this made it only worse. They were outright breeding to get to war which would have let to the death of the Ondo and other people.

They attack us right away, while they had the chance to talk to us.

Through acts of piracy, yes. Though the Scions already turn a blind eye to acts of piracy conducted by the pirates occupying The Ruby Sea. They were never interested in finding a peaceful solution - they just wanted to get to their destination as quickly as possible and saw the conflict as an inconvenience in the fact of their goals.

When did the pirates at the Ruby Sea ever go out of their way and say that they will mass murder villages? The pirates were willing to talk and thus the scions used that to reach their goal. These were not ready to talk and are an active danger to the Ondo (who are the ones that beg us to take care of them) and only after they heard that did we agree to do something but Alphinaud and others highly dislike it and wished for a diplomatic way which was sadly never on the table.

[SDaemon]

She was the one under attack. She didn't strike first.

In the moment that the boss fight takes place perhaps, but it isnt as if she was sitting at home minding her own business, she was actively leading her people to open conflict.

[Theodric]

In the moment that the boss fight takes place perhaps, but it isnt as if she was sitting at home minding her own business, she was actively leading her people to open conflict.

Through acts of piracy, yes. Though the Scions already turn a blind eye to acts of piracy conducted by the pirates occupying The Ruby Sea. They were never interested in finding a peaceful solution - they just wanted to get to their destination as quickly as possible and saw the conflict as an inconvenience in the fact of their goals.

[Avidria]

Through acts of piracy, yes. Though the Scions already turn a blind eye to acts of piracy conducted by the pirates occupying The Ruby Sea. They were never interested in finding a peaceful solution - they just wanted to get to their destination as quickly as possible and saw the conflict as an inconvenience in the fact of their goals.

I mean... I'm pretty sure I remember there being a bit about literally raising an army for the express purpose of "vengeance against the finless ones" or something to that effect. I sure didn't interpret that as mere piracy, no matter how contrived that part of the story actually felt (imo). Like, the queen was birthing an army because the Ondo wouldn't join her to go kill people is how I took it.

[Deusteele]

The raiding parties against Kholusia tell a different story. It's not that she was birthing while resources are scarce. It's that her birthing intentions are malicious, she intends to birth an army to raid and slaughter the Ondo and likely the Kholusian territories. That's what puts them on the KoS list.

[SDaemon]

Through acts of piracy, yes. Though the Scions already turn a blind eye to acts of piracy conducted by the pirates occupying The Ruby Sea. They were never interested in finding a peaceful solution - they just wanted to get to their destination as quickly as possible and saw the conflict as an inconvenience in the fact of their goals.

Acts of piracy used to horde resource to breed an army with which to engage in open war.

[Theodric]

The Scions have shown to have the ability to disable rather than slay their opponents when restraint is required of them. Somehow I doubt the reaction would be indifference if it was a pregnant Hume, Mystel or Viis being cut down in similar circumstances. I understand why they did it, though it's a matter of perspective and as far as I see it, they are not the righteous party in that particular case.

[Alleo]

The Scions have shown to have the ability to disable rather than slay their opponents when restraint is required of them. Somehow I doubt the reaction would be indifference if it was a pregnant Hume, Mystel or Viis being cut down in similar circumstances. I understand why they did it, though it's a matter of perspective and as far as I see it, they are not the righteous party in that particular case.

And what would that have done? It was the Ondo that outright said that they have tried for peace. That they have tried to talk to them. Disable them would not change anything at all..it would just mean that she will give birth to a huge amount of warriors that will slay the innocent people.

If Hume and others could give enough birth to raise an army then yes we would have killed them too but they dont. And unlike more human like beings you cant just throw her in prison which would probably be the solution for Hume and other people.