So about that new dungeon

[SannaR]

Oh here's the we killed a pregnant fish lady thread. I wasn't ok with it either though it does make you wonder why sahagin/ondo women have Genbu like turtle shells. Also we don't always kill people because if we did we'd of killed off those miners/trolley enthusiasts we meet. Unless we need to pop something into a sack or tie it up don't assume just because the hp bar has reached zero that we killed the person/monster.

[Valorak]

If you guys felt guilty about killing the Ondo Queen, then I don't think you're gonna like some of the Ruby Weapon cutscenes.

[wereotter]

I found it a bit hypocritical to kill the sahagin queen because the Tempest doesn't have the resources to support more of them (and because they were going to go to war) while rewind a few months ago and I did a whole quest chain to help the queen in Ondo Cups to give birth herself... so what about the resources those fish will need?

[LittleArrow]

War is hell, OP. If we didn't kill that Ondo matriarch, she definitely would have killed tons of Kholusian innocents.

The Ondo we killed were all accomplished fighters, all who had previously pillaged in their clan's name. Ondo Lady also was an accomplished fighter herself and clearly trained in the killing arts. We saved tons of innocent civilians by acting first this time, and it's a welcome sight to be pre-emptive for once.

Thanks for pointing this out. I haven't done the final dungeon yet, and as a new mother, I really - really - don't feel comfortable killing in game pregnant character. However, I think to overlook the fact that this tribe took the -choice- of violence and war, knowing that eventually violence and war would come in response, is pretty unfair to the situation.

I mean, not to get into a rl moral argument here, b/c we're talking about make-believe graphics that do not exist. Buuuuuut, -within- the universe of this make-believe not real place, there's is a comparison with the tribe that chose peace. They didn't just choose peace b/c, you know, they're cool with it; they seemed to know that when you hit someone, they're liable to hit back. After seeing how powerful the warrior of darkness is (again, didn't do the dungeon yet, but reading there are other beastmen we fight), surely that's the responsibility of the pregnant mother to protect her unborn young, in other words - flee and abandon that avenue of survival.

I dunno, just ranting some thoughts, maybe I'll change my mind when I actually run the darn thing XD

[TheMightyMollusk]

Ramuh was just really angry that we forced him to be fused with a horse. I mean, how is he going to sit in his favorite chair now? Thinking about it that way, we are definitely the monster and our punishment is deserved.

Really, it's our fault for summoning him without his full glorious beard. Even after the dialogue calling it out as a defining feature.

[Maero]

If you guys felt guilty about killing the Ondo Queen, then I don't think you're gonna like some of the Ruby Weapon cutscenes.

Yes, now that was disturbing

[StriderShinryu]

I mean, I didn't find the dungeon particularly enjoyable or entertaining, or even all that visually impressive, but I can't say that this is a complaint that came to mind.

[XenociderOmega]

We have killed more ppl than most villains in this game

[Malmstrom]

We have killed more ppl than most villains in this game

"Woe betide the man who stands opposed to the Weapon of Light, for death will be his reward. Death for him and his kin and all that he holds dear."

[Allegor]

Subconscious guilt of being killing machines ....where have I heard that before

Oh yeah, it's literally the theme of the 60-70 DRK questline lol