Problem with Pugs??

[Akuun]

Can you even stack it in a battle reg?
I know you can't stack some stuff like flurry.
So given the conditional requirement, i've not bothered to test any evade ws in a BR

[darkstarpoet1]

neither have i akuun to be perfectly honest. it's just it would seems common sense to be able to use a horn incap in one, but i have no idea if it can stack to be honest. like i said i usually just save up the 3k tp buff up and join the br with Victimize II and slide to the other side. it seems to be alot more reliable knowing when i can use one than trying to time the other. yeah the conditional could screw you also in the scenario if you evaded an attack and put it in br then got hit after would it work since it was triggered before or would it fail to execute. that's something i haven't considered and it is a good catch on your end and something i will see if i can find out after the servers come back up. since you know some of the same people i do on the server i'll get the message relayed if i find an answer.

[Akuun]

Ya, I think it's kinda silly on SE's part to include an incap action for a side other than front, when you have to evade to use it. I go the victimize route as well, we just let the marauders and lancers worry about the left horn ^^

[Drexel]

Can you even stack it in a battle reg?
I know you can't stack some stuff like flurry.
So given the conditional requirement, i've not bothered to test any evade ws in a BR

I have tryed, I timed it perfectly in that my whole party was pretty much stacked all the way up and i evaded rite after the last guy stacked, I had enough time to throw simian thrash in the BR before the evade timer went off and close the BR. I recieved a message saying somthing like "this ability cannot be placed in the battle regemn".

[darkstarpoet1]

ok ty that solves that question. now the question becomes why have a horn incap for a nm that cannot be used in a br against the nm lol

[Honz]

To clear up some misconceptions about pug.

Pug might seem like a poor dps in leve/sp parties but its not the case in NM fights.
Other melee like Mrd and Arc might look like they do more dmg because they have bigger burst dmg and better weapon skills.

From my experience on NM fights best melee dmg wise goes like this Arc = Pug > Lnc > Mrd. This is only considering Uraeus and Buffalo since gob, dodore, mosshorn all have adds and aoe dmg will be superior. On the aoe fights pugs still do great dmg if not the best on actual NMs themselves.

Pugs are great tanks on Uraeus and Buffalo even Dodore if you distance tank with mdef. Can tank goblin ok if you have a off tank seperate the NM from the adds, but mosshorn and his minions will rip you a new one.

[ShadowCadja]

Dunno if I can agree with Pug = Arc damage-wise in NMs, my str with gear and traits goes up to almost 170 and I still do much less dmg than either ARC or LNC, the dmg just doesn't compare, while I'm doing 30-35 max per 2 of heavy strike or almost 45 with the 3 hits of flurry, ARC are doing like 50-60 with just normal attacks, same goes for LNC almost and the speed of attack from PGL doesn't affect it that much, and their WS do much more dmg than us. =/ True we can still do DD, but no use comparing us with say ARC... Unfornately though I guess

[Akuun]

Thanks Drexel for providing that information.

[Honz]

Dunno if I can agree with Pug = Arc damage-wise in NMs, my str with gear and traits goes up to almost 170 and I still do much less dmg than either ARC or LNC, the dmg just doesn't compare, while I'm doing 30-35 max per 2 of heavy strike or almost 45 with the 3 hits of flurry, ARC are doing like 50-60 with just normal attacks, same goes for LNC almost and the speed of attack from PGL doesn't affect it that much, and their WS do much more dmg than us. =/ True we can still do DD, but no use comparing us with say ARC... Unfornately though I guess

Not true I play both Arc and Pug on NMs and believe it or not my pug's dmg is almost equal to my archer's on both Uraeus and Buffalo. Gob, Mosshorn, and Dodore all have poor def but the results are still the same when no considering AoE dmg.

As far as weapons skills go I do about 6-700ish with victimize on Uraeus 6-700ish with bloodletter on Uraeus. Same goes for buffalo, a couple of hundred higher on mosshorn, over 1k on gob and 1.2k range on dodore all with a full BR buffed victimize 2

[Meleena]

Victimize II on how much TP?
Is it the same with ARC if you use it at 2000?
Is it worth comparing with other class abilities who come out faster because they consume less TP?