Problem with Pugs??

[Kazimir]

I enjoy PUG a lot. My issues are that Simian Thrash is reliant on evasion as others have pointed out. It's a good skill but it's not so good that we should have to evade in order to use it. With it being a multi-hit WS, there can be quite a lot of misses, making Victimize II a better option for a lot of situations.

The effects of our skills are also very lackluster as with most classes.

I do have to praise SE on giving us the ability to tank pretty well on most fights. I honestly didn't expect PUG to be very good at it when I started but it really is a pretty good tanking class and is fantastic for off-tanking.

[Gun_Anam]

I'm loving pugilist. As mentioned, it is a worthy tanking class. I would like to have seen an evasion/resistance increase buff that lasts for a period of time, much like the marauder skill 'Defender' increases defense and magic defense. Something like 'Presence of Mind', except useful.

[Gimmecat]

First of all, Simian Thrash would be EVERYBODY'S main WS if it was not reliant on evasion, so it's understood and was a good move imo. Secondly, having a monster miss you is different than you evading and attack, and therefore, jarring strike and haymaker only proc when you evade, that's just how it works. I enjoy the way PUG plays, as it can have a few different play styles, dependent on what traits and actions you use.

[Frebaut]

I'm 45 PUG and i have to say it's a blast to play, tanking is fun. It would be great if we had some EVA+ clothes to wear to help with our Evasion. Hopefully that will be part of the new class gear that comes out.

[Gally]

A trick i discovered while off tanking NM's is that you can voke a weak mob then use FF. When you evade the weak mob you can Simian Thrash the NM.

[Raansu]

First of all, Simian Thrash would be EVERYBODY'S main WS if it was not reliant on evasion, so it's understood and was a good move imo. Secondly, having a monster miss you is different than you evading and attack, and therefore, jarring strike and haymaker only proc when you evade, that's just how it works. I enjoy the way PUG plays, as it can have a few different play styles, dependent on what traits and actions you use.

Why is that a problem? Everyone has a goto WS, why should we be punished by needing to evade to use our best WS? We already do shit dmg in comparison to LNC and Arc. ST not being reliant on evasion would even the playing field a little bit.

[Akuun]

Why is that a problem? Everyone has a goto WS, why should we be punished by needing to evade to use our best WS? We already do shit dmg in comparison to LNC and Arc. ST not being reliant on evasion would even the playing field a little bit.

Information dat mined shows that Asuran fists was intended for the dd role while in full offensive stance
sadly we haven't seen stances or steal which were mentioned by SE on the ffxiv page (not lodestone)

[Minzara]

I am loving Pugs right now. There was a moment there I didn't. However, when I obtained Pummel I fell to love once again. 2-3 hits with Pummel, Ferocity+Bloodbath+Victimize= 500 Damage and +250 HP to me. With that a most likely almost dead or dead mob depending on what I am fighting.

[Yuuki_Talamara]

i'm not as high as you guys but i don't work my evasion tp moves at all heavy >light strike > pummel > ferocity > VICTIMIZE!!!!! let ss presence of mind sacrifice and if at all needed featherfoot do the rest o.O
but yesh...do love me some victimize.

[Machazareel]

i'm a 50 pug tanked every NM very easly except dodore due to his attack that prevents you from using feather foot, forsight etc.

from my expersence PUG dps wise is 2nd only to Archer.

Well, that's just wrong. Pug dps is pretty trashy compared to both archer and lancer.