Problem with Pugs??

[Kazimir]

First of all, Simian Thrash would be EVERYBODY'S main WS if it was not reliant on evasion, so it's understood and was a good move imo. Secondly, having a monster miss you is different than you evading and attack, and therefore, jarring strike and haymaker only proc when you evade, that's just how it works. I enjoy the way PUG plays, as it can have a few different play styles, dependent on what traits and actions you use.

Simian Thrash should be our main WS. Every other melee class has one, why shouldn't we? And Simian Thrash doesn't even out damage some other classes WS's. Have you tried using it on an NM? It's incredibly weak compared to our other WS's, it's mostly just good on normal mobs.

[Akuun]

Simian Thrash should be our main WS. Every other melee class has one, why shouldn't we? And Simian Thrash doesn't even out damage some other classes WS's. Have you tried using it on an NM? It's incredibly weak compared to our other WS's, it's mostly just good on normal mobs.

I think the main thing here is that this skill is designed more for holding hate than simply out damaging.
If you're the tank and you're focused on how much damage you are doing you fail.
It's about hate control, not damage.

[Kazimir]

I think the main thing here is that this skill is designed more for holding hate than simply out damaging.
If you're the tank and you're focused on how much damage you are doing you fail.
It's about hate control, not damage.

I realize this, but my problem is they made our highest obtainable ability one that is only useful for tanking, when we are used as a DPS class and only an off-tank on rare occasions. The only time Simian Thrash has been useful for me is when my LS is doing the Buffalo NM and I need to knock off one of the horns. The only problem is you can't do that while tanking. Doesn't make much sense does it?

They made this class into a wanna be evasion tank with all sorts of tanking abilities yet we're not even close to being useful as one. Anything difficult hits us for far too much dmg and anything easier could be tanked by anyone. They need to give us more offensive based abilities, get rid of Simian Thrash's evasion requirement, up the damage and give up on this fantasy that we'll be useful as a tank when any LS with at least 2 GLA's will never use a PUG for tanking.