Problem with Pugs??

[Akuun]

Thanks Drexel for providing that information.

[Meleena]

Victimize II on how much TP?
Is it the same with ARC if you use it at 2000?
Is it worth comparing with other class abilities who come out faster because they consume less TP?

[Honz]

Victimize II on how much TP?
Is it the same with ARC if you use it at 2000?
Is it worth comparing with other class abilities who come out faster because they consume less TP?

Usually 3000 tp Victimize II, with invigorate i come close to 3k if not already at it. Setup works for me because my LS does full BRs only every minute. Invigorate is awesome since you don't have to hit to get the TP boost

Arc has no 3k tp moves worth while, Bloodletter is 1k, Barrage is 1.5k tp

Never use maim as Mrd not worth it and I've almost never see our Lancers use Chaos thrust in BRs.

[Drexel]

Usually 3000 tp Victimize II, with invigorate i come close to 3k if not already at it. Setup works for me because my LS does full BRs only every minute. Invigorate is awesome since you don't have to hit to get the TP boost

Arc has no 3k tp moves worth while, Bloodletter is 1k, Barrage is 1.5k tp

Never use maim as Mrd not worth it and I've almost never see our Lancers use Chaos thrust in BRs.

Since you seem to have most of your battle classes pretty damn high, what WS do you feal are worth using cross class as a pugilist? Maim, bloodletter, Barrage. Im sure they would be better with the job traits too. Either way what is gimp and what is worth cross classing?

[Honz]

Since you seem to have most of your battle classes pretty damn high, what WS do you feal are worth using cross class as a pugilist? Maim, bloodletter, Barrage. Im sure they would be better with the job traits too. Either way what is gimp and what is worth cross classing?

To be honest nothing, a full 3k tp Victimize II is your best friend on NMs. My fights kind of go like this, invigorate > heavy strike > flurry > flurry to 3k tp should be time for BRs, ready all buffs Blindside II, Ferocity II, Raging Strike II, Hawk's Eye, Murderous Intent. If your thms where doing their jobs the NM should be fully debuffed meaning your Victimize should probably crit go as last in BR and you should see how Pugs are not sub-par DDs like everyone thinks. You could always use Cadence instead of Hawk's Eye is its not up yet.

As far as weapon skills go just stick to good old Victimize. Oh I forgot to mention one thing, Storm's path from mrd is a godly aoe skill for aoe tanking if you're ever asked to do that.

[darkstarpoet1]

Victimize II on how much TP?
Is it the same with ARC if you use it at 2000?
Is it worth comparing with other class abilities who come out faster because they consume less TP?

yes victimize does use more tp, but you also have to remember pug gains tp super fast with both flurry and pummel so the tp difference is about the same amount of attacks to use each skill.

[Akuun]

My LS has like 3-4 gla all of them wearing the best gear you can get, yet i'm still asked to tank simply cause pug holds hate better than any other class atm.

Yoshi-p has also already stated that he plans to make each class more specialized, so you're simply beating a dead horse