Problem with Pugs??

[Gun_Anam]

I'm loving pugilist. As mentioned, it is a worthy tanking class. I would like to have seen an evasion/resistance increase buff that lasts for a period of time, much like the marauder skill 'Defender' increases defense and magic defense. Something like 'Presence of Mind', except useful.

[Gimmecat]

First of all, Simian Thrash would be EVERYBODY'S main WS if it was not reliant on evasion, so it's understood and was a good move imo. Secondly, having a monster miss you is different than you evading and attack, and therefore, jarring strike and haymaker only proc when you evade, that's just how it works. I enjoy the way PUG plays, as it can have a few different play styles, dependent on what traits and actions you use.

[Raansu]

First of all, Simian Thrash would be EVERYBODY'S main WS if it was not reliant on evasion, so it's understood and was a good move imo. Secondly, having a monster miss you is different than you evading and attack, and therefore, jarring strike and haymaker only proc when you evade, that's just how it works. I enjoy the way PUG plays, as it can have a few different play styles, dependent on what traits and actions you use.

Why is that a problem? Everyone has a goto WS, why should we be punished by needing to evade to use our best WS? We already do shit dmg in comparison to LNC and Arc. ST not being reliant on evasion would even the playing field a little bit.

[Akuun]

Why is that a problem? Everyone has a goto WS, why should we be punished by needing to evade to use our best WS? We already do shit dmg in comparison to LNC and Arc. ST not being reliant on evasion would even the playing field a little bit.

Information dat mined shows that Asuran fists was intended for the dd role while in full offensive stance
sadly we haven't seen stances or steal which were mentioned by SE on the ffxiv page (not lodestone)

[Minzara]

I am loving Pugs right now. There was a moment there I didn't. However, when I obtained Pummel I fell to love once again. 2-3 hits with Pummel, Ferocity+Bloodbath+Victimize= 500 Damage and +250 HP to me. With that a most likely almost dead or dead mob depending on what I am fighting.

[Kazimir]

First of all, Simian Thrash would be EVERYBODY'S main WS if it was not reliant on evasion, so it's understood and was a good move imo. Secondly, having a monster miss you is different than you evading and attack, and therefore, jarring strike and haymaker only proc when you evade, that's just how it works. I enjoy the way PUG plays, as it can have a few different play styles, dependent on what traits and actions you use.

Simian Thrash should be our main WS. Every other melee class has one, why shouldn't we? And Simian Thrash doesn't even out damage some other classes WS's. Have you tried using it on an NM? It's incredibly weak compared to our other WS's, it's mostly just good on normal mobs.

[Akuun]

Simian Thrash should be our main WS. Every other melee class has one, why shouldn't we? And Simian Thrash doesn't even out damage some other classes WS's. Have you tried using it on an NM? It's incredibly weak compared to our other WS's, it's mostly just good on normal mobs.

I think the main thing here is that this skill is designed more for holding hate than simply out damaging.
If you're the tank and you're focused on how much damage you are doing you fail.
It's about hate control, not damage.

[Kazimir]

I think the main thing here is that this skill is designed more for holding hate than simply out damaging.
If you're the tank and you're focused on how much damage you are doing you fail.
It's about hate control, not damage.

I realize this, but my problem is they made our highest obtainable ability one that is only useful for tanking, when we are used as a DPS class and only an off-tank on rare occasions. The only time Simian Thrash has been useful for me is when my LS is doing the Buffalo NM and I need to knock off one of the horns. The only problem is you can't do that while tanking. Doesn't make much sense does it?

They made this class into a wanna be evasion tank with all sorts of tanking abilities yet we're not even close to being useful as one. Anything difficult hits us for far too much dmg and anything easier could be tanked by anyone. They need to give us more offensive based abilities, get rid of Simian Thrash's evasion requirement, up the damage and give up on this fantasy that we'll be useful as a tank when any LS with at least 2 GLA's will never use a PUG for tanking.

[Frebaut]

I'm 45 PUG and i have to say it's a blast to play, tanking is fun. It would be great if we had some EVA+ clothes to wear to help with our Evasion. Hopefully that will be part of the new class gear that comes out.

[Yuuki_Talamara]

i'm not as high as you guys but i don't work my evasion tp moves at all heavy >light strike > pummel > ferocity > VICTIMIZE!!!!! let ss presence of mind sacrifice and if at all needed featherfoot do the rest o.O
but yesh...do love me some victimize.