Problem with Pugs??

[Akuun]

The first one is that Blindside doesn't seem to be working properly. It does give a damage boost, but it is so small that it makes the 1-minute-cooldown skill not even worth equipping, Blindside II not really being any better. If this skill was supposed to be the new Sneak Attack, then it certainly doesn't fulfill its function for now.

The other thing I would like changed is the way the evasion-based weapon skills are triggered. I understand that you can use those certain moves right after successfully evading an attack, but why can't be use them when the enemy misses us?

I can't say how accurate this is, but it's on the finalfantasyxiv.com site (official game site)
Blindside - Strike from an enemy’s rear, increasing attack power by half of your dexterity.

So you may want to try increasing your dex if the boost is less than desirable.

[Drexel]

If anything, I wish they would make Simian Thrash not requiring an evade to use. Lets face it, pugs are most likely going to be off tanks most of the time, and it really sux that our best WS requires an evade to use.

You gotta realize all the super skills have a catch. Simian Thrash has the only after evade. Riot Blade inflics you with pacification for a short time, and Chaos Thrust gets a big damage boost when the mob hits 20% health to the point my lancer buddys tell me its better to use other skills till the 20% mark unless you are going for an incap that works with Chaos Thrust. Even then Simian Thrash doesnt do nock your socks of damage, depending on the mob you can out damage it with a concussive blow II. The real issue with the evate is you cant put the skill in to a battle regimen making TP in a boss fight best spent damn near anywhere else unless you have tones of it. They are all situational and all kindof vanaty moves not like Asuran Fists was back in XI where after you got it that was 99% of the time your go to weapon skill as monk. Oh and i tank NMs on pug as the main tank so we are not always off tanks, coincidentaly thats the only time you really wanna use Simian Thrash because you probubly wont be participating in battle regimens and i feal at least Simian Thrash is a pretty good hate grabber regardless of the damage delt.

[Hawk]

Just hit 36 Pug today and got my quest done. Yay for affinity! Sorry ...ahem. I see Pug as a evasion/ magic defense tank. And honestly most of the weapon skills are good but not the best. You want to do some killer damage?
Flurry+ Maim = Pain = Maim, Maim, (is it dead yet?) Maim.

[bobbygunz]

i'm a 50 pug tanked every NM very easly except dodore due to his attack that prevents you from using feather foot, forsight etc.

from my expersence PUG dps wise is 2nd only to Archer.

[Machazareel]

i'm a 50 pug tanked every NM very easly except dodore due to his attack that prevents you from using feather foot, forsight etc.

from my expersence PUG dps wise is 2nd only to Archer.

Well, that's just wrong. Pug dps is pretty trashy compared to both archer and lancer.

[Sojiro]

Well, that's just wrong. Pug dps is pretty trashy compared to both archer and lancer.

Agreed. I have heard that MRD out damages us as well.

[Dovaz]

Im an archer 50 and a Pug roughly 36 if i remember, I lvl so much its hard to remember lol but i just want to point out that pugilist is very position demanding, currently i duo grind with a buddy of mine who is leveling archer, using all of my old +1-3 bows i used while leveling mine. I'm using spiked knuckles, and if i'm behind the mob, eatting acc food, i heavy -> flurry flurry flurry flurry and i can actually keep up in total dmg to the crazy output of archer dmg

i only stop to ws when i hit 300 tp, ferocity -> hawks eye -> raging strike -> victimize for 500-700 then i restart the flurry cycle (btw i also run still precision when in flurry mode)

gogo crit rate on pug weapons


if I have to tank, pug has rediculous amounts of hate tools in the current broken hate system, begin battle with archer dropping his most powerful attack (first action seems to gain no hate on mobs), then taunt -> raging strike and proceed to evade tank, when i evade tank i only use feint and haymaker 2s for tp while i toss out light strikes and heavy strikes, if im going to pop featherfoot i toss out raging, ferocity and hawks eye then featherfoot, cause u know an evade is coming, so u can haymaker for 600+

for hate (quick way to never loose hate as long as u dont die), taunt (after claimed) -> raging strike -> blindside -> ferocity -> hawks eye for initial then just cycle taunt + raging, taunt + ferocity n hawks eye and blindside when its up, accomplice people in a cycle

[pepesylvia]

actually, i find the animation to be redundant. simian thrash will blow your mind, but the rest are..... ALL THE SAME!!!

[Kazimir]

I enjoy PUG a lot. My issues are that Simian Thrash is reliant on evasion as others have pointed out. It's a good skill but it's not so good that we should have to evade in order to use it. With it being a multi-hit WS, there can be quite a lot of misses, making Victimize II a better option for a lot of situations.

The effects of our skills are also very lackluster as with most classes.

I do have to praise SE on giving us the ability to tank pretty well on most fights. I honestly didn't expect PUG to be very good at it when I started but it really is a pretty good tanking class and is fantastic for off-tanking.

[Gally]

A trick i discovered while off tanking NM's is that you can voke a weak mob then use FF. When you evade the weak mob you can Simian Thrash the NM.