Delete Clemency and Vercure

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

I've saved some groups from so many wipes just because of Clemency. Healers shouldn't be butthurt about a heal going off every now and then just like how dps don't get mad when healers dps some. Sometimes, healers tunnel vision (I know I'm guilty of it at least a few times) and a quick clemency on yourself or a party member makes them go "oh, whoops!" I really wish people wouldn't take these things as a slight against them or their capabilities. Sometimes a tank just gets nervous. Especially with all the bad healers I've had.

[Ammokkx]

I've saved some groups from so many wipes just because of Clemency. Healers shouldn't be butthurt about a heal going off every now and then just like how dps don't get mad when healers dps some. Sometimes, healers tunnel vision (I know I'm guilty of it at least a few times) and a quick clemency on yourself or a party member makes them go "oh, whoops!" I really wish people wouldn't take these things as a slight against them or their capabilities. Sometimes a tank just gets nervous. Especially with all the bad healers I've had.

Oh yeah, that's something else.

For anyone who says "Well I don't heal bad so you shouldn't do it with me" please keep in mind I still frequently get healers that don't know what the res button is, nevermind a skill past cure I/benefic I/physick. Yes, I can believe you're just that special and hard-working you're in the top percent of rattatta, but I don't know who you are, I'm not always in the same instance with you, and I've died enough to easily healable damage that I figure if I don't chip in, I'm gonna wipe a whole lot more than I have.

[Kewitt]

On the other hand when 2 3 people die and you don't have to worry about the tank or someone yell dieing it's wroth it.

[SamRF]

Ah yes, nothing feels better than seeing your thread necro'd and a new wave of people shitting on me personally even though I've long stated my opinion has changed on this topic, even put it in the OP 4 months ago that I'm convinced they shouldn't be removed but I should have probably made another statement that I don't mind the GCD anymore as well.

Couple posts (1 page) before the necro 02-24-2020:

I'm surprised this thread is going as far as it has gone.

Same lol. It's 19 pages of people disagreeing and shitting on me xD. On hindsight I kind of had it coming with wording I've used. My opinion on topic has also changed quite a lot since the original post so there isn't really much left to discuss.

Still interesting to read your opinions and arguments on the topic, but I'm no longer part of this debate so don't direct your comments towards me personally.

[FF16Necromancer]

They're super useful in other content types like Eureka and solo trials/PotD so no.

[Violet_Galaxy]

[edit 06/2020] This thread is 4 months old at this point and my opinion has long changed on the matter. Still interesting to read your opinions and arguments on the topic, but I'm no longer part of this debate so don't direct your comments towards me personally. Everything under this sentence is from 4 months ago (edits as well).[/edit 06/2020]

Edit: for those who don't know, Clemency and Vercure are PLD's and RDM's GCD (fairly strong) single target healing abilities.
Edit+update: I'm convinced the abilities shouldn't be removed because they're part of the identity of both jobs, but I'll be in favor of giving them a cooldown and/or putting them on oGCD.

Well, I'm glad that your opinion has changed. Really cool how I'm guessing some of the arguments in this thread convinced you to have a different outlook on those skills!

[ADVSS]

Nothing against OP but RDM and PLD having a cure, is RDM and PLD being RDM and PLD. Outside of that, the point of those tools is to ease the burden on healers, unfortunately, sometimes it might take a little from their job of healing(healers), but its not the intended purpose because the cost of MP is absolutely tasking on PLD and curebotting is absolutely a massive DPS loss for RDM as well as mana costly. As many people have stated, there are tons of reasons why people would overdo it, or not put their trust entirely on a healer they just met for one instance in one DF they will probably be repeating ad nauseum. When youve got a game like this, that pairs you with any and all walks of life and experience and ability, you will eventually run into some "winners". I think any PLD main or RDM should get bitter if they remove these abilities, primarilly because they literally belong to these jobs to begin with. Its the very rare chance they actually give a job an identity without crapping all over it due to what space on the role shelf the devs decided to place it on. Also just to lay it out there in terms of balance "as intended" or whatnot 3/3 healers can res 2/10 dps can res 0/4 tanks can res.
This means theres a high probability if both/or one healer dies, its most definitely a wipe on any instance. I wouldnt cry if PLD got a raise tbh. I think the shared burden of success shouldnt be left to one role.

[KadaRemnant]

I think some people should stop having too much pride and think about the game as a teamwork.
Each job bring something to help the team. I main dancer and some abilities are to support and help healers give more heals. So it should be removed too? How about instead we keep it the way it is so everyone help each other complete stuff in game? I love vercure and veraise and i don't use them to make the healers mad but to help the team if things go wrong.

[Kiajin]

ive only seen rdm using vercure when nothing is under controll. also if you feel insulted by someone using vercure and clemency i think your the problem.

I've been that healer that died quickly & pld & rdm (ninja) killed the boss w/o me & I've also been on the other end my friend being the rdm & I pld which the Healer was either afk or died...

I like pld as it is. If they removed clemency they would have to adjust them to be on par with the other tank damage wise (my pld isn't 80 yet so). Pld less damage high self sustain compared to gunbreaker high damage but more healer dependent
My current experience at least at a healer & current lvling tanks I have little experience on rdm (I booked my rdm)

[Quintessa]

I main dancer and some abilities are to support and help healers give more heals. So it should be removed too? How about instead we keep it the way it is so everyone help each other complete stuff in game?

I don't think anyone is gonna complain about a heal that bounces off the partner and hits anyone else nearby for the full effect.