ill toss my 2cents in to say that both abilities are useful progression tools (granted, so was old tank stance, of which i still miss)

and additionally, rdms can set up a dualcast with a vercure during "boss go bye" points during a fight

so i don't really see a reason to delete the tools from the jobs

idc what tf people do in dungeons tbh, it's a dungeon, you can aa the entire thing and win it's really a zero factor there. paladin spamming clemency? ok ill just spam holy, art of war, gravity.

rdm healing instead of me? ill just continue providing more overall damage output to the pull than when they weren't.

as a side note, requiescat + clemency is a very nice tool to have when you feel bored and decide to solo random raids for the fun of it

im not really for removing tools from a toolkit for the sake of removing them, especially if they're only kept as "iconic" and are kind of otherwise worthless as a separate button (im still salty abt what they did to abyssal drain ok)


if it's really just "bad players use them poorly" okay, then just delete every ability. because it's not going to fix that, lol.