Delete Clemency and Vercure

[Veis_Alveare]

This kind of post has been up hundreds of times perhaps.

I can’t really understand it. If you play as a healer and you get upset someone else is “stepping” on your territory/wasting time healing when they should be DPSing, all I can say is... really?

If you are so worried about your roulette taking 1-2 minutes longer, you might have a deeper problem. If you can’t stand it because “that’s my job!”, why? Shouldn’t the party be looking out for each other? And if you die to something stupid, you’d rather the party wipe than be able to gimp through a fight without you?

It’s not like either of these jobs regularly have to use these abilities, but they are great to have. Point of fact when my FC does treasure maps, we don’t bring a healer at all. Rdm, 2 Plds and 3 dps is all we need. No healer needed. That’s not to say healers suck, it’s just to say we don’t really need one, and those kind of choices and versatility in party build is something to be encouraged.

The issue is a combination of these two suggestions.

First off, each healer has an ability which specifically benefits from the target's health dropping. Excog won't pop (at least effectively) unless the target drops below 50%, Essential Dignity (which is like... the majority of tank healing a lot of the time) gains potency the lower the HP of the recipient and Benediction is a full heal which means the greater the difference between a target's max and current HP values the more bang for your buck.

Losing effectiveness on these abilities repeatedly (plus on WHM not having anything to make good use of lilies on) means a PLD/RDM using their GCD heals is literally making using my skills harder, of course I find that irritating.

I'll be honest, I've definitely miscalculated a few times and people have died to what was effectively pointless greed. If that happens to someone and they decide to waste their GCDs in the future on some caution heals I wouldn't begrudge them that in casual content... but when I've given them no reason to actually believe I don't have everything well in hand? No, I'm sorry, it's really irritating at that point.

Why am I, as the role with the least effective dps, doing what I can to contribute to the group while my party members are wasting everyone's time?

Also mostly unrelated but dear god that map comment makes me cringe. I get it, its maps and if those are jobs people enjoy playing more power to them, but in terms of effectiveness it's a big oof.

PLD can't keep spamming Clemency over and over though as they'd quickly run out of MP, so it's rather moot. It's the tradeoff for it's potency so we don't overrely on it (yes we can get the MP back with Fast Blade-Riot Blade, Spirits Within and Total Eclipse-Prominience, but it takes a bit to get all that MP consumed back, and doubly so if you've already used Requiscat-Holy Spirit/Holy Circle-Confiteor, so thinking that PLD can completely replace the healer in a party is quite frankly nonsensical.

I don't sit there spamming Clemency to keep my HP up, but I will not hesitate to use it if my HP drops below half for an extended period and the healer hasn't done anything about it (because the lower my HP goes, the greater the chance I die even with buffs, and then you the healer dies, and then the rest of the party dies as well, and you don't want that). I will also not hesitate to heal a party member if they've been ignored by the healer too (it does happen, and I've gotten comendations for doing so).

One aspect of Clemency that no one ever (or rarely) considers is it can also be used to quickly pop Divine Veil on the party at the start, especially if the healer is perfering to hold off healing until you get to critical HP. So if you see a PLD use that at the start, they're not spamming Clemency to play pretend-healer, they're doing that to actually benefit their party and using their abilities how they're meant to be, and thus benefiting you by trying to cut down the damage caused to you and thus the amount of healing you have to do.

So these calls to eliminate Clemency simply because it's powerful come across as very ignorant (to say nothing of Clemency's importance during solo content).

If you're using clemency on a party member who isn't topped up you're likely wasting your MP and GCDs.

I see this all the time while I'm waiting for a Star to pop or an oGCD to come back around, theres zero harm in someone being below full health as long as the healer knows what's coming. If there isn't an imminent cause of unavoidable damage for that party member there's no reason for them to require healing at that point.

I see this constantly on the very last pull of Grand Cosmos. I just take the AoE cast by the big horse guy add if I'm on SCH or WHM (since I'm in there for Holy/AoW spam) and theres no other damage apart from tank damage so I dont bother healing myself. I've been pointlessly clemecy'd there at least three separate times.

The only hit point that matters is the last one.