Delete Clemency and Vercure

[Vidu]

Efficiency. (don't take this out of context please, consider the full post I'm responding to)

They shouldn't feel uncomfortable in the first place, if they do, I would argue that they have bad/unfair judgement (which is okay) and need to work on that. I hear many say that they encounter healers that do let them die. In that case, unless it's obvious that healer won't be able to heal you (hard cast rez, dead, ..) you should trust your healer. If it did lead to party being wiped, then by all means do use Vercure/Cemency next time for insurance.

There might be an exception for Paladins in some (specific lower level) dungeons when either healer or tank isn't up to par with their gear and they overpull. Then it could perhaps be a good idea to throw a few clemencies when you don't have any defense buffs going on while taking enormous amount of damage. But it should never be as a respond to how much health you have because you can't predict that with the cast time. A response to how much damage you are taking can be debatable, a response to how much health you have is imo always bad practice in group content for PLD (except for those exceptional cases you know healer is unable to heal).

I wouldnt say they have bad/unfair judgment - I dare say that they've simply encountered to many healers who are struggling and are now careful.

Before this patch I took a bit of a hiatus from DF, but now with new tomes and a new NM raid I'm dipping my toes back in - granted, all of this is now first week experience, but so far I've seen the following healers:
- dead for 50% of E5-8
- unable to deal with mechanics and healing tanks at the same time (which resulted in a dead tank in E7NM - who died from autoattacks and took no additional damage they shouldnt have taken. With an ilvl of 472 and CDs up. The mechanic was "run to one side" - which can be paired with an instant heal)
- letting the tank die to a mitigated tankbuster from a dungeonboss

Any person you encounter through DF is a stranger, so why should I just trust them straight away? Obviously one should go in with the expectation that everyone in there is capable of doing their job - but trust? Nope, thats something you gotta earn. And you might be burdend by me encountering several healers before you who worked very hard not to earn any amount of trust.

[SamRF]

Any person you encounter through DF is a stranger, so why should I just trust them straight away? Obviously one should go in with the expectation that everyone in there is capable of doing their job - but trust? Nope, thats something you gotta earn. And you might be burdend by me encountering several healers before you who worked very hard not to earn any amount of trust.

But PLD and RDM are just 1 job within their role, and the only ones with (potent) targeted healing on GCD. You're supposed to be trusting your healer because you have no choice in many (/most?) party set ups (when there are no RDM or PLD).

[Vidu]

But PLD and RDM are just 1 job within their role, and the only ones with (potent) targeted healing on GCD. You're supposed to be trusting your healer because you have no choice in many (/most?) party set ups (when there are no RDM or PLD).

I main a paladin - and while there are many more reasons (habit, liking the class etc.) as to why: This is actually one of them. That I'm pretty much always in a party set up with emergency healing. I consider myself a good (enough) paladin and refrain from using Clemency as long as the healer is fully there (not dead, afk or bot-like) or to trigger Divine Veil when I'm offtank in 8-man content.
Leveling (or playing) my other tanks is always a bit frustrating because sooner or later I end up in a situation where I cant help thinking that I could have saved that with my paladin.

So I actually do have the luxury not to blindly and completly trust my healers - by paying the small price of playing on of the jobs who dont have to.

[RokkuEkkusu]

I'm surprised this thread is going as far as it has gone. That being said, when I heal, I don't mind Clemency and Vercure being used because the person knows how to press buttons and I can supplement DPS more when the situations call for it.

[SamRF]

I'm surprised this thread is going as far as it has gone.

Same lol. It's 19 pages of people disagreeing and shitting on me xD. On hindsight I kind of had it coming with wording I've used. My opinion on topic has also changed quite a lot since the original post so there isn't really much left to discuss.

[Frosthaven]

Same lol. It's 19 pages of people disagreeing and shitting on me xD. On hindsight I kind of had it coming with wording I've used. My opinion on topic has also changed quite a lot since the original post so there isn't really much left to discuss.

For what its worth even though I disagree with you I found the topic an interesting read and it surely sparked some conversation so I appreciate you putting it out there