Delete Clemency and Vercure

[SamRF]

Only if we can completely remove any and all dps skills from healers. They should be forced to heal only.

This makes no sense at all with how this game is designed. Both PLD and RDM have engaging dps rotation, not like their healing matters much when it comes to enjoyment of their jobs (although it is pretty fun to be able to solo some older content with the self heals). Healers have literally nothing to do when there's no healing needs, beside dps.

They could change those healing abilities into oGCD's perhaps so PLD and RDM won't lose their identity, but don't know how that would work out balance wise.

[RitsukoSonoda]

This makes no sense at all with how this game is designed. Both PLD and RDM have engaging dps rotation, not like their healing matters much when it comes to enjoyment of their jobs (although it is pretty fun to be able to solo some older content with the self heals). Healers have literally nothing to do when there's no healing needs, beside dps.

They could change those healing abilities into oGCD's perhaps so PLD and RDM won't lose their identity, but don't know how that would work out balance wise.

At the same time you're basically asking on your first post for non healer jobs to lose the ability to heal other people because it hurts your ego as a healer.

Another thing you appear to have missed is the amount of healers out there that don't pay enough attention to actually healing when doing non raid content (and sometimes even during raids). Happens most often by my observations in 4 man duties due to the role being populated by someone that just wanted to dodge the DPS queue time. Because of this I tend to not trust a healer when tanking unless it's someone I know and will not hesitate to use clemency on PLD if I see my HP drop below a certain threshold.

[SamRF]

At the same time you're basically asking on your first post for non healer jobs to lose the ability to heal other people because it hurts your ego as a healer.

Another thing you appear to have missed is the amount of healers out there that don't pay enough attention to actually healing when doing non raid content (and sometimes even during raids). Happens most often by my observations in 4 man duties due to the role being populated by someone that just wanted to dodge the DPS queue time. Because of this I tend to not trust a healer when tanking unless it's someone I know and will not hesitate to use clemency on PLD if I see my HP drop below a certain threshold.

I mean, in those cases you already have to be lucky to have a PLD or RDM in your party. They're just 1 job within their role, I doubt that 1 GCD targeted healing ability is even being considered when balancing the jobs, it's something redundant when it comes to group content, I'm guessing purely to satisfy the identity of those jobs. Perhaps they could change it to some other healing effect that is oGCD.

When it comes to you using Clemency after certain tress hold, unless the healer in question caused a wipe before, how can you possibly decide when it's the right time to cast clemency? You have to predict the heal cause you need time to cast the ability before you would die, so you're not taking healer oGCD's into account, which they can cast instantly. If you're using Requiescat instant cast then you're wasting even more dps by denying holy circle.

[LaylaTsarra]

Why I main WHM and RDM as a dps class for it's ability to dualcast raise and heal. Thank you SE for giving me a real healers dps class.

And ty for the rdm buff as well.

[Fynlar]

Very insulting as healer if you see RDM or PLD use Clemency/Vercure when you have everything under control.

To which I would say, get over it.

I've had enough scary bad healers that if my health starts dipping under 30% consistently, you can freaking bet I'm gonna start casting vercure no matter how "in control" the healer thinks they are. No offense intended. It's just less of a dps loss than eating dirt on the floor.

This.

[Kisik]

Healers have literally nothing to do when there's no healing needs, beside dps.

There are almost no times, when healing isn't needed. A healer DPSing, is temporarily choosing to ignore the party's health concerns, in favor of contributing to the damage output, while hoping they have enough time to repair the damage taken while they were off focusing on DPS. DPS for a healer is a balancing act, not some side hobby to enjoy while no one is getting hurt.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

We definitely need to remove more abilities and homogenize classes even more, that's the direction we should be asking SE to move in yeah?

[seraf]

lol no there's absolutely no reason to remove those spells and if you take "offense" to them then that is on you. They're support spells and nothing more. If you see a PLD using Clemency on themselves or someone else it's because they saw a lack of healing from the Healers for an upcoming mechanic. The same goes for RDM who make use a quick Vercure to top off after being raised or something else.

[miraidensetsu]

lol no there's absolutely no reason to remove those spells and if you take "offense" to them then that is on you. They're support spells and nothing more. If you see a PLD using Clemency on themselves or someone else it's because they saw a lack of healing from the Healers for an upcoming mechanic. The same goes for RDM who make use a quick Vercure to top off after being raised or something else.

Not always. PLD maybe would like to trigger Divine Veil, that is triggered when received a direct GCD heal.

[seraf]

I'll Clemency or Vercure anyone I want if I see them low on HP at any point.