Delete Clemency and Vercure

[Sebazy]

That's a lot of dev work to redo quest to make them non-dps healer friendly. That not really an option.

I think it was sarcasm =(

I would say Vercure is a good bit of flavour for the RDM though, people coming from FFXI will predominantly remember them as a healer/support and I'd argue that they were better off tanks than they were actual DPS in any vaguely relevant content.

[Krotoan]

.. you want skills removed because they're making you feel bad when people visibly don't trust you to do your job?

curious how you feel about bloodbath and 2nd wind?

[SamRF]

.. you want skills removed because they're making you feel bad when people visibly don't trust you to do your job?

curious how you feel about bloodbath and 2nd wind?

They're wrong with not trusting, they don't know which oGCD's the healer has ready. Unless healer let the party get wiped before.

[Krotoan]

They're wrong with not trusting, they don't know which oGCD's the healer has ready. Unless healer let the party get wiped before.

I think you're overthinking it a bit. Aside from a little annoyance and a teeny DPS loss it's really nothing to get in a froth about. For example Stuns get wasted all the time being double applied, I don't feel like we should limit them just to the tank.

[MistakeNot]

They're wrong with not trusting, they don't know which oGCD's the healer has ready.

No, they are not wrong. Unless they have played enough with that healer to know they can trust them, they are right in not trusting.
If you have a problem with that, well that's too bad.

[Deceptus]

Edit: for those who don't know, Clemency and Vercure are PLD's and RDM's GCD (fairly strong) single target healing abilities.

I'm exaggerating with the title and am not convinced those abilities should be deleted yet, but hear me out:

Very insulting as healer if you see RDM or PLD use Clemency/Vercure when you have everything under control. You're maximizing your dps as healer and thus put in some effort to efficiently heal to extend party will survive only to see the dps gain get completely wasted by that Vercure/Clemency.
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What? A PLD using clemency allows a healer who can do more damage than a tank at times (especially in large pulls). If I see a PLD use clemency while I'm spamming holy I just keep doing what I'm doing.

[Anarnee]

No thanks.

I hate it when a tank is using Clemency when they're at like 80% health.... BUT I also would hate to not have it when I get a bad healer that is spamming Cure/Physick/Benefic when I'm at 10% health, and they refuse to use any of there off the global cooldowns or Cure II/Adloquim/Benefic II, and then it's "You pulled too much" :V

[Bsrking5]

Those spells are essential to helping keep the identity of the jobs, which traditionally have the ability to heal people.

I do agree that it's annoying to waste a heal, but that happens with the other healer in full-party content sometimes anyway, and it's not a big enough problem to remove the things that make those jobs Final Fantasy jobs. Go too far in on MMO balance and efficiency and you get the homogeneous jobs across roles and bow mage BS that defined the 3.x era.

Vercure isn't essential to red mage's identity and clemency doesn't need to be spell or a heal.

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

Vercure isn't essential to red mage's identity and clemency doesn't need to be spell or a heal.

srry As much as I dislike final fantasy red mages. I have to agree with Tsukino

Vercure -is there white magic ability (that really is a real white mage real ability) for medic stuff (so that needs to stay)

As for Paladin- wish all all their holy spells were removed I wanted to play a knight sword/shield with no holy ability abilitys (and the real lack of any other jobs using a shield kind of force you to go down that path for that fantasy)

They're wrong with not trusting, they don't know which oGCD's the healer has ready. Unless healer let the party get wiped before.

eh you know when I was upping my warror the healer was dieing alot and I needed my self heals (plus honestly) there are moments where the healer gets chained up/stunned or slept by a games fight mecha so those self heals are honestly highly needed for those phases.

[hynaku]

Vercure isn't essential to red mage's identity and clemency doesn't need to be spell or a heal.

Do know a red mage is a combo of a whm and blm so if you took vercure from them how would they be part whm anymore?. Isn't a paladin a combo of a whm and a knight?