Delete Clemency and Vercure

[AngelCheese77]

Actually I support the change of clemency and the out right removal of vercure. Non-healers shouldn't be stand ins for healers.

I think SE and Yoshi were trying to be true to the classes of PLD and RDM of how they were in the console games of the past. I remember RDM in FF1 having the ability of blacka nd white magics, so they could cure and do damage. So I don't see the reason not to give RDM that ability.

As a healer main myself, I have zero issues with those skills. If the RDM wants to help or the PLD wants to heal themselves, then that less heals I have to do and more DMG I can assist with. Heck in that same line of thinking, might as well remove my damage skills since only DPS should be able to do it. /shrug

[SamRF]

Tell them that they can trust me to keep them alive and that they dont need to cast Clemency/Vercure (I usually try to pair that with a light hearted tone, maybe even in a joking manner so they dont get the impression that I'm trying to criticise them directly. When healing I play as scholar, so most often its something along the lines of "You dont need to use Clemency, Selene and I can keep you up - and if not we'll blame it on the fairy!").

To entertain the thought, your wording may come off as a reprimand of them doing something wrong. So perhaps instead encourage them to trust you by saying something along the lines of "I got the heals, you can focus on damage". Try to offer a positive reason for them to not use the ability rather than just telling them to stop using it. It's easier to convince someone to play a certain way if you give them all the pieces they need to arrive at the conclusion of that being the best way.

Thanks, sounds like pretty good advice. Next time I'll try something like: "I got the healing , you can focus on dps if you want."

[SinisterJoints]

Actually I support the change of clemency and the out right removal of vercure. Non-healers shouldn't be stand ins for healers.

Then summoners can lose their raise, and healers can lose their dps spells. Non dps shouldnt be dpsing! See, I can post dumb stuff too!!!

[Katie_Kitty]

Actually I support the change of clemency and the out right removal of vercure. Non-healers shouldn't be stand ins for healers.

What lmao. why even call it a red mage then? Part of RDM's very identity has been its ability to fill in as a healer in a pinch while also providing magical damage and even formidable frontline melee attacks.

[Sebazy]

Clemency is a strange one, it's pretty crippling for the PLD to use compared to the other tank sustains but it's also a pretty handy trick to buy me time for an extra holy or two on larger trash pulls.

I'm actually a pretty big fan of Vercure though, I've healed a few expert roulettes with it when the actual healer has been out of the picture for whatever reason and it actually almost makes dungeon healing a bit of a challenge, certainly way more so than usual.

Eitherway I don't really take offence to players using them, I just see it as an invitation to DPS harder.

[Tsukino]

Those spells are essential to helping keep the identity of the jobs, which traditionally have the ability to heal people.

I do agree that it's annoying to waste a heal, but that happens with the other healer in full-party content sometimes anyway, and it's not a big enough problem to remove the things that make those jobs Final Fantasy jobs. Go too far in on MMO balance and efficiency and you get the homogeneous jobs across roles and bow mage BS that defined the 3.x era.

[ReviaInfantry]

Clemency is PLD continuous self sustain with condition of mp, changing it to target self only is acceptable but not removing it.

Red mage generally ain't vercure until serious derp happens, which you might wish everyone can heal and res.

[Bsrking5]

And we need to stop asking for useful skills to be removed because people have used them poorly.

Rescue is a poorly thought out and implement skill, the easiest change would be to give the target a 2 second invulnerability and that would fix most problems with it. It's useful, but only barely so because of latency.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Only if we can completely remove any and all dps skills from healers. They should be forced to heal only.

Better be careful. Someone might think you're being serious.

Rescue is a poorly thought out and implement skill, the easiest change would be to give the target a 2 second invulnerability and that would fix most problems with it. It's useful, but only barely so because of latency.

I don't feel Rescue is poorly thought out. On paper, the spell is fantastic.

As you pointed out, the issue is latency. I like your idea for Rescue to grant invulnerability.

To expand on that thought, I think having Rescue instantly apply invulnerability to the target before the "pull" and having that invulnerability not drop off until the target has been at their new location for 2.5 secs (a global cooldown) would fix the spell.

[Bsrking5]

Only if we can completely remove any and all dps skills from healers. They should be forced to heal only.

That's a lot of dev work to redo quest to make them non-dps healer friendly. That not really an option.