Delete Clemency and Vercure

[Jkap_Goat]

I did a level 56 dungeon with me as the red mage healing, it was fun.

[NessaWyvern]

Vercure actually has pretty practical applications for RDM when you want to proc dualcast in a state that's post pull, such as when a boss becomes untargetable.

Came here to say the same thing, them dualcast procs are too tasty to have deleted.

Also, vercure has saved my character's life, and other player character's life so many times, mostly due to bad healers letting HP bars of players get too low before raid-wide AoEs. A quick vercure makes sure that whoever needs it, barely survives, instead of dying.

I literally quit being a healer main, and became a RDM main, because I can just get more stuff done! It has so much carrying potential.

[Kes13a]

I main healers, and have no problem if a rdm wants to help a bit, or heaven forbid toss out a heal or two because a tank cant be bothered with mitigation so I am having to use every tool in the kit just to keep them up. As other have said, I am not so worried about them tossing off a basic heal if they feel like it.

Playing as rdm, I cant tell you how many times I have had to use vercure to try and keep someone up because the healer is too busy trying to do dps instead of healing.

personally if someone is so hurt by someone else thinking they can help with a heal or two, maybe they need to change jobs...

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

I've saved some groups from so many wipes just because of Clemency. Healers shouldn't be butthurt about a heal going off every now and then just like how dps don't get mad when healers dps some. Sometimes, healers tunnel vision (I know I'm guilty of it at least a few times) and a quick clemency on yourself or a party member makes them go "oh, whoops!" I really wish people wouldn't take these things as a slight against them or their capabilities. Sometimes a tank just gets nervous. Especially with all the bad healers I've had.

[Ammokkx]

I've saved some groups from so many wipes just because of Clemency. Healers shouldn't be butthurt about a heal going off every now and then just like how dps don't get mad when healers dps some. Sometimes, healers tunnel vision (I know I'm guilty of it at least a few times) and a quick clemency on yourself or a party member makes them go "oh, whoops!" I really wish people wouldn't take these things as a slight against them or their capabilities. Sometimes a tank just gets nervous. Especially with all the bad healers I've had.

Oh yeah, that's something else.

For anyone who says "Well I don't heal bad so you shouldn't do it with me" please keep in mind I still frequently get healers that don't know what the res button is, nevermind a skill past cure I/benefic I/physick. Yes, I can believe you're just that special and hard-working you're in the top percent of rattatta, but I don't know who you are, I'm not always in the same instance with you, and I've died enough to easily healable damage that I figure if I don't chip in, I'm gonna wipe a whole lot more than I have.

[Kewitt]

On the other hand when 2 3 people die and you don't have to worry about the tank or someone yell dieing it's wroth it.

[SamRF]

Ah yes, nothing feels better than seeing your thread necro'd and a new wave of people shitting on me personally even though I've long stated my opinion has changed on this topic, even put it in the OP 4 months ago that I'm convinced they shouldn't be removed but I should have probably made another statement that I don't mind the GCD anymore as well.

Couple posts (1 page) before the necro 02-24-2020:

I'm surprised this thread is going as far as it has gone.

Same lol. It's 19 pages of people disagreeing and shitting on me xD. On hindsight I kind of had it coming with wording I've used. My opinion on topic has also changed quite a lot since the original post so there isn't really much left to discuss.

Still interesting to read your opinions and arguments on the topic, but I'm no longer part of this debate so don't direct your comments towards me personally.

[FF16Necromancer]

They're super useful in other content types like Eureka and solo trials/PotD so no.

[Violet_Galaxy]

[edit 06/2020] This thread is 4 months old at this point and my opinion has long changed on the matter. Still interesting to read your opinions and arguments on the topic, but I'm no longer part of this debate so don't direct your comments towards me personally. Everything under this sentence is from 4 months ago (edits as well).[/edit 06/2020]

Edit: for those who don't know, Clemency and Vercure are PLD's and RDM's GCD (fairly strong) single target healing abilities.
Edit+update: I'm convinced the abilities shouldn't be removed because they're part of the identity of both jobs, but I'll be in favor of giving them a cooldown and/or putting them on oGCD.

Well, I'm glad that your opinion has changed. Really cool how I'm guessing some of the arguments in this thread convinced you to have a different outlook on those skills!