Delete Clemency and Vercure

[Mousezilla]

I think OP considers this thread some kind of debate masterstroke gotcha after the verbal shellacking he got in his "If the tank isn't pulling everything I do it for them because EFFICIENCY and I don't understand why people aren't praising me for it" post.

[BasicBlake]

I would get thicker skin if something like that upsets you in a videogame.

I love VerCure for when I am off doing stuff solo as rdm and I would be so irritated to lose my guaranteed Dualcast proc in encounters during phase transitions.

[kaynide]

The issue is a combination of these two suggestions.

First off, each healer has an ability which specifically benefits from the target's health dropping.

Also mostly unrelated but dear god that map comment makes me cringe. I get it, its maps and if those are jobs people enjoy playing more power to them, but in terms of effectiveness it's a big oof.

To your first point, I stand by the “who cares?” of my comment. Are you clearing the content? It’s a 30 min dungeon/5ish min trial. Who cares if rotations are perfect. Savage? Sure go crazy/optimize. Casual content? Not worth it. Personally they should just give all healers back a stance to go DPS mode during such times.

To your second point on maps.. as long as we are not wiping, who cares how effective the party build is? It’s not like we (or most people) are speed running.

[Avatre]

When running as PLD, how else am I supposed to keep going if my healer decides to play DRG?
And when I'm RDM, how else am I supposed to keep the tank alive when the healer decides to play DRG?

[LaylaTsarra]

When running as PLD, how else am I supposed to keep going if my healer decides to play DRG?
And when I'm RDM, how else am I supposed to keep the tank alive when the healer decides to play DRG?

Lets be sure to remove all the cool skills from roles we don't play so we don't have to be jealous of the fact we can't do them. People complain about homogenization and then want to remove stuff that makes roles special.

[Adventica6]

The poor baby had his feelings hurt when someone healed themselves, poor lil guy.

[Tsalmaveth]

As a main healer, this has got to be the most ridiculous suggestion... okay wait no... I've seen worse on these forums. Strike that.

THAT SAID... this is a really insanely bad suggestion. Both of those skills are incredibly useful and can save parties/raids in clutch situations. VerCure is a fast way to let a RDM Raise when things are bad and Healers need to focus on keeping everyone else up and conserving mana. A PLD who knows how to use Clemency correctly can save a total party wipe or give a healer breathing room to attend to others in need of focus at the time. If a healer's feelings get hurt because someone is HELPING them... WHY are you playing a team oriented game in the first place?? I've healed through all levels of this game except Ultimate and it boggles my mind that someone is this short-sighted and, frankly, selfish. Getting an assist is good. You save your precious mana a little bit, and even if you 'waste' a heal... SO WHAT? Are you worried about your parse or something? Afraid of that pesky 'overheal' number? Please.

[Liam_Harper]

I'll never understand these suggestions lately of "bad players are using these skills badly ...let's reward them for it, simplify the game even further and punish the good players who put their toolkits to good use". It's baffling how anyone sees that as logic.

[Avidria]

Y'all this is a four month old thread and OP already said they've changed their opinion on this lmfao

[Veis_Alveare]

To your first point, I stand by the “who cares?” of my comment. Are you clearing the content? It’s a 30 min dungeon/5ish min trial. Who cares if rotations are perfect. Savage? Sure go crazy/optimize. Casual content? Not worth it. Personally they should just give all healers back a stance to go DPS mode during such times.

To your second point on maps.. as long as we are not wiping, who cares how effective the party build is? It’s not like we (or most people) are speed running.

The "if you're not wiping everything is fine" mentality (also known as lul omg guiz itz jus a game tryhard stfu u don't pay my sub) is without a doubt the most toxic aspect of the entirety of ffxiv, PVP and high end raiding both included.