Delete Clemency and Vercure

[TalithaSolarien]

If you remove these abilities you can as well remove all the Solo achievements from both Palace of the Dead and Heaven on High as you need those to solo it. Face it, these skills were intended to be used as they are now.

[DumdogsWorld]

It's weird. Healers are allowed (if not expected) to aid with their DPS, but tanks and DPS are not allowed to aid with healing.

I dunno. Healers DPS when they have downtime. If everybody has their health up fairly high and you have a choice between DPSing and standing there, then the logical answer is to DPS, right? Shouldn't the same apply to healing? What if there's no way in hell you'll lose aggro as a tank, but the healer messed up and died to an AoE? Shouldn't things like this depend entirely on the situation?

And that's to speak nothing of solo content, which, contrary to popular belief, does exist in this game.

[Xion136]

I've salvaged boss fights, helped on raids, and my first time in Ala Mhigo I had to nearly solo the second boss when the healer and other DPS died (and the bard soon after). Hallowed, Clemency, Vercure, these abilities help get those clutch moments in for people.


Because you feel insulted you not only want to remove such a thing but deprive people of those "hero moments" over your healer pride. News flash, I've met morr crappy healers than good ones. I sometimes have watched not a single GCD, not even DPS. I've died to more raidwides after my Rez immunity wears off than there's raids in this game.


And you want me to trust my healer? No, I'll trust them when the dungeon is done and all my deaths are my fault (because I admit when I potato, especially in chat, so the healer knows it wasn't their fault) or lack there of of deaths.


And "how do you know they don't have Benediction ready?" How CAN I? WHY should I trust you to have Bene up? What if I saw you already use it earlier, should I pray it's already been the required time?


Don't you dare take my tools away. Those mitigate the people debuff. I like mitigation.

[GrimGale]

I am a healer main.

Do not remove Clemency or Vercure.

Removing skills based on other player's pride is what let healers to have such a terrible spammy dps rotation.

You wanted healers to heal more and now we are stuck with spamming Glare and Broil.

[MistyMew]

Edit: for those who don't know, Clemency and Vercure are PLD's and RDM's GCD (fairly strong) single target healing abilities.

I'm exaggerating with the title and am not convinced those abilities should be deleted yet, but hear me out:

Very insulting as healer if you see RDM or PLD use Clemency/Vercure when you have everything under control. You're maximizing your dps as healer and thus put in some effort to efficiently heal to extend party will survive only to see the dps gain get completely wasted by that Vercure/Clemency.

At first I kind of liked those abilities when leveling both PLD and RDM, but now have come to hate them when leveling healers to the point I'm wondering if those abilities should even exist. Sure they're really nice abilities if you're doing solo content, but they may suggest the wrong idea to some players by making them believe they should freely use them in group content.

The thing is that healers currently usually rely on their oGCD's for healing while they keep GCD's for dps. In many cases they will let HP decrease so they can make optimal use of their oGCD's. Some RDM and PLD may start thinking they or someone else are going to die with their decreasing health while healer has everything under control and is 1 tap away of getting their HP back up.

There are some exceptional cases, like when healer is dead, or massive overpulling in some specific lower level dungoens, but vast majority of cases I see those 2 abilities used is a complete waste.

The dps loss doesn't bother me that much, it's just not nice for a healer when they're already stuck with their monotone dps rotation and on top of that they deny you of enjoying your job with well timed oGCD's.

Ummm how about no?

Or, only remove Clemency and vercure if they remove every ability for a healer to dps. No worries cause the dps and tank got it all under control.
you heal we dps...got it? <--- that is how crazy you sound.

What a bizarre request op.
Requests like this is why jobs become so screwed up.

lolno.

[SaberMaxwell]

In any world where vercure is removed, RDM needs to have a substitute self-cast spell to help it prepare during down phases.

[SamRF]

Honestly I can't figure out if OP is somehow clueless about some things, or very good at trolling.

My guess? He's a good troll. The best ones are the ones that blur that line between cluelessness and incredulity.

Thank you, i was wondering if it was the same person or I remembered wrong.
So either they're butthurt from the replies there or really good at trolling or both.

With the first thread I thought maybe he was just clueless. Combined with this thread I'm convinced he's an elaborate troll or just a narcissist who thinks everyone should stay in their lane. Except for himself of course--he can do whatever he wants in the name of "efficiency".

I honestly think he's trolling at this point and he knows exactly what he's doing. Like, how did he expect this thread to go when he's practically asking to remove a skill from both RDM and PLD that basically makes their class what they are?

It's okay to disagree with someone. No need to call me a troll.

I think you've been in too much of an echo chamber if you consider both this and my previous thread as trolling.

[Centershock]

It's okay to disagree with someone. No need to call me a troll.

I think you've been in too much of an echo chamber if you consider both this and my previous thread as trolling.

The reason why we think you're trolling at this point is because you are, once again, trying to force your own efficiency onto other players. You automatically seem to think that if non-healers use their heals, they're bad at their DPS/Tanking job. It honestly seems like you're trying to find your own echo chamber by trying to find those who agree with your mentality. Which is ironic that you're making this thread in the first place considering that in the other thread you made, you were trying to justify yourself (a healer) pulling for the tank. (Which, pulling, is not your job.) So you can pre-pull as a healer ahead of the tank, but you don't want anyone else to be doing healing? Wat.

You should just play with a pre-made party instead of pushing your agenda to random pugs. You can tell them that you are going to pre-pull ahead of the tank and tell the tank and other DPS that they aren't allowed to use any of their healing abilities. Problem solved.

[Videra]

Hmm. No. I quite like my ability to solo things as PLD.