Thread: Patch 5.2 Feedback

Originally Posted by Aurelius2625

"We can't include any new healers, because we need to balance the three we have first".

I literally guarantee this is going to be said at the 6.0 launch tour lol.

Kek. Honestly a part of me would prefer that over getting a 4th healer. I'd rather have 3 healers that are boring/poorly designed over 4. Balance issues don't bother me, especially if those are easy to fix by just adjusting some numbers, but healer problems are fundamental gameplay problems. I honestly don't care how "balanced" they are, that doesn't make my 10,000th broil any more fun.

Originally Posted by Billythepancake

Kek. Honestly a part of me would prefer that over getting a 4th healer. I'd rather have 3 healers that are boring/poorly designed over 4. .

I don't know.
They seem to do a good job when it comes to creating a new class from scratch since Stormblood (because 3 classes was too much). Sure, they needeed some little ajdustment over time, but overall, it was nicely designed i think.
I'm on the side that a 4th healer could be refreshing if they can merge feedbacks into it and adjust.
I'd like they also break that regen/shielder philosophy with them. Seeing our current kit, they more or less all come with more versatile skills so...

And... I just want a fresh new healer experience. No matter if the balance is there or not.
My HW SCH and HW/SB Ast are dead now so... at this point...

Originally Posted by Aurelius2625

"We can't include any new healers, because we need to balance the three we have first".

I literally guarantee this is going to be said at the 6.0 launch tour lol.

This.
On the off chance that a 4th healer is introduced, it'll be something stupid like a healer that only heals. Because SE loses their minds when it comes to us.

Damaging spells are needed for solo content.
At least, it'll get one ST and one aoe.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

This.
On the off chance that a 4th healer is introduced, it'll be something stupid like a healer that only heals. Because SE loses their minds when it comes to us.

With a bunch of GCD spells and only one oGCD so they can make sure you stand still most of the fights.

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

I think this is precisely where their problems lie. The dev team focuses too much on players who think Cure III is an upgrade on Cure II and "accessibility" instead of trying to develop a middle ground. That, and they seem utterly terrified of making content require more dedicated healing. It's strange because we see them make efforts towards the latter hence why heals are actually weaker than they were in Stormblood. Yet they tune fights lower or don't consider healers have so many tools nowadays that small reductions, especially to GCD heals, won't make a dent beyond large dungeon pulls. It just feels like the whole design philosophy for healers is a confusing mess.

To be honest, GCD heals are rather boring in this game. I don't think spamming Physick/Cure/Benefic in lieu of Broil/Glare/Malefic will make healing any more entertaining.

As an example, healing in the sustain-based gamplay of WoW has been designed to ensure you have plenty of interesting healing mechanics so that you don't feel like you're in a one spell loop of healing spam. You have heals that bounce off each party member, quick cast heals with high cost, slow efficient heals, channeled heals, healing by dealing damage, gathered potency heals, HoT synergy, duplicate heals on marked targets, sacrifice your own health to heal others, etc.

In FFXIV you get a few interesting heal mechanics but they are not exactly core healing abilities. Excogitation, Earthly Star, Horoscope and Plenary Indulgence for example.

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

I think this is precisely where their problems lie. The dev team focuses too much on players who think Cure III is an upgrade on Cure II and "accessibility" instead of trying to develop a middle ground. That, and they seem utterly terrified of making content require more dedicated healing. It's strange because we see them make efforts towards the latter hence why heals are actually weaker than they were in Stormblood. Yet they tune fights lower or don't consider healers have so many tools nowadays that small reductions, especially to GCD heals, won't make a dent beyond large dungeon pulls. It just feels like the whole design philosophy for healers is a confusing mess.

Also want to add, we don't know how SE viewed 5.0 -> 5.05 Ast healing adjustments whether they viewed it as,
- not on par with what whm/sch offered
Or
-people don't like weaker heals.

The former should be how they look at it while I suspect it is the latter on how they view it.

5.0 ast healing would've been fine if whm and sch had the same/near enough healing output but it didn't and was rightly needing buffs or whm and sch would have to take a nerf which they really didn't want to do.

If it is indeed the latter how they see it, pfft ain't ever going to have interesting healing requirements.

Originally Posted by Crushnight

Also want to add, we don't know how SE viewed 5.0 -> 5.05 Ast healing adjustments whether they viewed it as,
- not on par with what whm/sch offered
Or
-people don't like weaker heals.

The former should be how they look at it while I suspect it is the latter on how they view it.

5.0 ast healing would've been fine if whm and sch had the same/near enough healing output but it didn't and was rightly needing buffs or whm and sch would have to take a nerf which they really didn't want to do.

If it is indeed the latter how they see it, pfft ain't ever going to have interesting healing requirements.

I was of the mind that AST didn't need to be brought up in terms of healing balance but SCH and WHM to be brought down. Maybe even to Noct Sect levels. All right, that might screw with Savage and Ultimate, I don't know, I'm not a heavy raider, given I don't have the room to be committed to a static and tend to casually PF content (by which point you're not expecting efficiency) , but I think it'd be a step in the right direction elsewhere.