Eden 8 ( Spoilers) Ummm....Square?

[EpicOverlord85]

Just going to say one small thing here.

Ryne, to our collective knowledge is about 16 years old.

Age of Consent in Japan is 13. They're not doing anything wrong legally, especially since FFXIV is a Japanese game at heart. Not to mention FFXIV's age-rating going up from 12+ to 18+ with Shadowbringers launch.

Also. For the "it's fictional, so it's okay". Tell that to all the people who have been convicted of owning / collecting underage material made entirely of drawn children. Just because it's "Not real" doesn't mean it's not a red flag to notify the authorities.

Hey if the authorities deem it problematic so be it, but I’m not going to report someone for being into stuff like Senran Kagura or Azur Lane.

[Valorak]

Hmmm...

As someone that's pretty allergic to fan service/pandering in anime and other media, I barely even noticed this during the fight. I wouldn't have even thought about it if I hadn't happened upon this giant-ass thread.

Gods and Goddesses (and divine beings in general) are often depicted with little to no clothing in art/literature. Considering the halo that she had by her head, I'm willing to bet that was the look that they were going for and that it wasn't really about trying to sexualize her. Also, knowing what we do about Primals, I think of it more as Shiva and not so much Ryne, but maybe that's just me?

More to the point, I don't remember seeing much more than her shoulders, stomach, and legs. If that's really enough to make some people feel all funny in their pants, then idk. Some of you guys must really struggle when you see Classical/Renaissance sculptures and art.

As others have stated, I think that in this particular case, people are making a mountain out of a molehill. If Ryne starts showing up everywhere in a bikini then sure, I'll raise an eyebrow and wonder what's going on, but I doubt that this will be an ongoing issue.

[SilverObi]

And what happens when real children see it, what happens to the people who get far too comfortable interacting with real children because of what they've been lead to believe is okay. I don't even trust people like that to be on the same planet as my child, they can go somewhere else.

Big 90's Karen energy there, almost forgot what year it was. Remember when Mortal Kombat caused a wave of murders? Or how about GTA making people think crimes were okay?

[Eldevern]

Do people who talk about pedophilia considering Ryne know that the pathology pedophilia applies only before puberty?

It is its meaning and definition. It is not about legal age (or moral matters).

[RubixCube]

Having a controlled situation where a character transforms is very different from allowing kid pcs to run around.

I find the obsession with pushing for underaged characters disturbing. I can't see how it can be for any reason that isn't dark in nature.

[linay]

I guess it comes down to different tastes. I find a swimsuit much less worse than someones only clothes being a dragon which was also Shivas lover.

You're welcome to your own taste, but the fact remains that teenagers showing a lot of skin in public isn't all that unusual. And considering the fictional setting, there's even less reason to make a big deal out of it.

But I guess I just find it funny that they went that way after all the talk about never getting younger characters (and some people simply wanted to play teenager not for lewding but because they just like playing as them).

Obviously it's a matter of what line they're wiling to cross. They have more control over NPCs and that's why they don't like the usage of mods.

[Alleo]

As I’ve seen stated in this thread already, Ryne is just doing the typical magic girl anime trope. Some people wouldn’t be able to handle Sailor Moon in 2020 apparently..

Other than very few episodes Sailor Moon is never naked after transformation. If it would just be the transformation itself and the outfit afterwards (in savage) would be cute or saint like then there would be less of a problem. Sailer Moon is naked for the transformation but afterwards she wears something which does not show her breasts. Honestly next to the mini skirt all of their outfits are really modest. Ryne is half naked afterwards.

You're welcome to your own taste, but the fact remains that teenagers showing a lot of skin in public isn't all that unusual. And considering the fictional setting, there's even less reason to make a big deal out of it.

And yet somehow people that want to play underage characters (like those in Rynes or Alphinauds age) are looked down on this very forum and we dont types like that as playable because the devs are completely against it. The worst people could wear would be the beach wear but seemingly thats fine? Anything else will always fall under the lines of mods and its not like SE will ever be able to do something against that.

I just find it interesting that in this case its all fine because its just pixels and people dress like that even at that age. But as soon as someone wants to play as someone younger its right away assumed that they want to sexualize them. Not because they are maybe teenagers themselves that want to play someone at their age.

I am fine and agree with no playable younger characters but I also want SE to hold themselves to the same standard. Its just like I once said with Yotsuyu. If they had made her primal form really sexy then I would have found it bad because of her horrible past. But they did not. Yet here they went (in savage) all out.

[Tsukino]

And yet somehow people that want to play underage characters (like those in Rynes or Alphinauds age) are looked down on this very forum and we dont types like that as playable because the devs are completely against it. The worst people could wear would be the beach wear but seemingly thats fine? Anything else will always fall under the lines of mods and its not like SE will ever be able to do something against that.

I just find it interesting that in this case its all fine because its just pixels and people dress like that even at that age. But as soon as someone wants to play as someone younger its right away assumed that they want to sexualize them. Not because they are maybe teenagers themselves that want to play someone at their age.

I am fine and agree with no playable younger characters but I also want SE to hold themselves to the same standard. Its just like I once said with Yotsuyu. If they had made her primal form really sexy then I would have found it bad because of her horrible past. But they did not. Yet here they went (in savage) all out.

It's fine if you find it amusing like the OP, but if you actually have a problem with this I would say you're missing some fairly obvious differences.

The model of "Shiva" here only has one context - a fight. All this model will ever do is be a boss for the players to defeat. If they allowed someone to play as a younger character, then it would put that young character in a wide variety of both extant and future scenarios that might not be considered appropriate, especially for the official ratings that the game has already received. Consider the types of things Haurchefant says to and about the player character, for instance. There probably would be no issue at all if you were to outfit yourself in a bikini, but there is a potential issue with situations the game's story and quests put you in. Put simply, the potential problems with young PCs is situations, not showing some skin.

But really, the more cynical answer is that if they can't even figure out how to give viera some hairstyles and hats they're definitely not going to bother with checking twice as many options to have younger versions of every race. They can frame it as whatever excuse they want, and basically it's no different than "PS4 limitations."

[Ashlette]

Okay, I rarely post here but I see a lot of misinformation being spread out. So I have to correct some stuff.

Age of consent in Japan with some stipulations is as low as 13.

The only reason this is uncomfortable to anyone is because people like you that raise a fuss over it for pretty much no reason.

As someone mentioned, the clothes changing animation is a straight up magical girl trope, and the outfit with Hraesvelgar was wonderfully symbolic.

This is not true.

The Children Welfare Act chapter 34 states that anyone 18 or older can not engage in fornication, harlotry or obscenity with minors. It is an overriding law in Japan that protects children from sexual abuse. Source

I am not familiar with law, but I do know that some laws act as a baseline, with the "minimum age of consent is 13" Japanese Penal Code serving as one in this case, and can be overridden with other laws.

[MoofiaBossVal]

Her savage form looks great!

Not too keen on her Hydaelyn form. The skintight suit parting for a boob window looks tacky, just like Ultimecia's.