Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.2

Originally Posted by MrThinker

Well, we don't know what the consequences of Thancred staying on the First w/o his actual body might be.

We might go and fetch his body for him? We can move "stuff" between worlds easy enough, just not people. I guess a body with no one home might count as stuff.

Last resort sort of thing if he worsens further, because without a body on the source he'd presumably be forever stuck on the first.

Originally Posted by Jandor

We might go and fetch his body for him? We can move "stuff" between worlds easy enough, just not people. I guess a body with no one home might count as stuff.

Last resort sort of thing if he worsens further, because without a body on the source he'd presumably be forever stuck on the first.

The implication that I've been getting is that, while separated, body, mind, and soul are still dependent on one another. If any die, they all die. That's the urgency in returning to the Source - the parts have been separated for too long, and if the body dies, the mind and soul will disperse into the Lifestream. If that's true, the demise of his body won't just mean Thancred is stuck on the first - it means he'll die there, too.

Of course, an alternative to Ryne moving to the first would be Thancred (body, soul, and mind reunited) returning to the First. The WoL travels back and forth as a matter of course, now, so it's likely the Exarch has perfected the process - for the WoL, anyway. Even so, that would presumably be a big step toward figuring out how to send others, as well.

I also want Thancred to stay, and I want him to want to stay, but (Eden spoilers)

Urianger and Thancred's scene at the end definitely read like "they won't be in the First anymore when Eden returns in 5.4 so we need to write them out of it now."

Originally Posted by Jandor

Pop to the Rising Stones, grab Thancred's body, TP back to Crystarium, drop it in front of his soul ghost. "There ya go mate, hop in and make yourself comfy."

In the MSQ, they mention that the only thing WoL can bring across the rift are items they consider their own belonging. A lifeless body is not a personal belonging, which is why they’re doing this whole plan of popping everyone into crystals.

Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

In the MSQ, they mention that the only thing WoL can bring across the rift are items they consider their own belonging. A lifeless body is not a personal belonging, which is why they’re doing this whole plan of popping everyone into crystals.

Hmm, yeah, I do remember that now you mention. Fair enough.

Feel like a bunch of crystals containing the minds and souls of my friends is reaaaaally stretching the definition of personal belongings there, but it is what it is I suppose, no moving Thancred's empty body then.

I just dont get, why we dont fetch their bodies with the device that got us into the first and let the exarch summon them? Is a echo needed for that, has the soul to be in their body? Thancred might not be able to teleport but at least the others could then just move like us, even if they cant do as much as we do...

Originally Posted by Kuroka

Thancred might not be able to teleport but at least the others could then just move like us, even if they cant do as much as we do...

It is mentioned now and again that our tolerance for teleporting is pretty extraordinary. Even the Scions that can still use the teleport spell might not have all the requisite anima necessary to bridge the gap between worlds.