Thoughts on class changes?

[Miziliti]

Because they don't look at all jobs together, they take each role and look at them in isolation.
Phys Ranged have a perk in having the least downtime of any jobs, and least affected by mechanics, which is very useful in blind runs and initial prog.
Sure it levels out once everyone's learned the fight properly, but until then, they come out on top, such as my FC's initial E1-4S runs where our MCH was by far the highest damage.
Sure you can buff them at their lull (after initial prog) but that also buffs them at their peak, and then you'd end up with way more Phys Ranged in world firsts.
Unless their buffs were purely to rDPS (which rules out MCH) that is.

Are you bothered by the fact that if physical range jobs were to receive proper buffs, people would play them more? I don't get it at all.

Party composition allowed 2 melees, 2 casters, but not 2 physical ranged? As far as I remembered, double physical ranged was never a favored or desired party composition. I thought 5.0 would potentially fix that, but no it got worse. Double physical range in a party is still a hindrance in any high end raid fight. I have encountered all sorts of problems with double physical ranged groups while double casters group wasn't an issue the majority of time. Why does physical ranged jobs have to be treated this way?

[SinisterJoints]

RDM changes are honestly a joke. +20 potency to 2 CDs and +20 potency to aero/thunder. This won't be enough to bring them even up to BLM, or SMN (post nerf) And then SMN being too strong... So cut 5 potency off the 2 dots. I honestly don't know where they even get their information when it comes to the balance. But I guess RDM is probably intended to suffer cause they bring the instant cast raises and heals as needed for 'support'

rdm shouldnt "be up" there with blm, a PURE dps. RDM has a ton of utility. (now smn on the other hand lol)

[Lastelli]

Are you bothered by the fact that if physical range jobs were to receive proper buffs, people would play them more? I don't get it at all.

There are way too many people playing phys ranged already, because of their simplicity and usefulness during prog...and because of the 1% bonus.

Party composition allowed 2 melees, 2 casters, but not 2 physical ranged? As far as I remembered, double physical ranged was never a favored or desired party composition.

Double phys ranged was meta in HW. Of course the standard comp SE is trying to enforce is 2 melee, 1 ranged, 1 caster.

[Miziliti]

There are way too many people playing phys ranged already, because of their simplicity and usefulness during prog...and because of the 1% bonus.

So base on this answer. I take it you think it's okay for physical range role to stay in bottom tier because they are popular. Have you consider the fact that new job in expansion is a physical range job?

[Shurrikhan]

Are you bothered by the fact that if physical range jobs were to receive proper buffs, people would play them more? I don't get it at all.

Party composition allowed 2 melees, 2 casters, but not 2 physical ranged? As far as I remembered, double physical ranged was never a favored or desired party composition. I thought 5.0 would potentially fix that, but no it got worse. Double physical range in a party is still a hindrance in any high end raid fight. I have encountered all sorts of problems with double physical ranged groups while double casters group wasn't an issue the majority of time. Why does physical ranged jobs have to be treated this way?

Practically speaking in terms of raid design, especially now that the long-term support functions of physical ranged dps have been scrapped, there are functionally only melee, slightly more downtime-proof melee, ranged, and significantly more downtime-proofed melee.

Already there are 7 ranged DPS, or 10 ranged in total, to only 4 melee DPS, or 7 melee in total. To ask that there necessarily be as many slots open for more mobile ranged as for less mobile ranged and either as much as every sort of melee denotes quite a bias, does it not?

That's not to say that I think physical ranged shouldn't be buffed. I do. Though I'd ideally want it to be in a way that isn't so disproportionately accessible during prog in comparison to melee and casters. I'd prefer that parity be returned with a due portion of complexity as it applies to learning to optimize around any difficult fight.

But there is no Ballad or Army or Promotion anymore, no specific need for a physical ranged worth treating them as their own role. They're just hypermobile ranged, as compared to the less mobile ranged place of all current magic-based ranged, and they shouldn't have disproportionately high ease of performance early on than they should have disproportionately low ease (or ceiling) of performance later.

[Dakuryon]

Just give Dancers stripper poles as a secondary weapon and I'll be golden. Jk,

[Lastelli]

So base on this answer. I take it you think it's okay for physical range role to stay in bottom tier because they are popular.

No. I think they can stay at the bottom of the dps ranking because it's still optimal to have one in your party all things considered, and given that they are valuable for reasons outside of dps contribution alone, having two of them should definetily be discouraged.

And btw I'm a MCH/DNC main with ultimate experience so yes, I know the new job is a physical ranged dps, but thanks for reminding me.

[Yeol]

Of course the standard comp SE is trying to enforce is 2 melee, 1 ranged, 1 caster.

This is actually not true. You can check the details of Raid finder party composition

When queuing solo or with less than a full party, the Raid finder will match together 2 tanks, 2 healers, 1 ranged physical DPS, 1 ranged magical DPS, 1 melee DPS, and 1 other DPS. The fourth, unspecified DPS class or job to be matched will depend on the settings selected when registering for a raid.

When selecting Duty Completion, the unspecified DPS player cannot be the same class or job as other players to be matched together in a party.

When selecting Practice, the unspecified DPS player can be the same class or job as other players to be matched together in a party.

Please note that the above composition requirements are not imposed upon preformed parties.