Thoughts on class changes?

[Scryar]

I had few expectations and yet SE still managed to disappoint me. The Red Mage buffs are a joke. SE proving again and again how horrible they are at class balance. Guess I will continue to just sub for 30 days and unsub for the remaining time till the next story patch. The story and raids/trials are the only good thing about this game.

[Miziliti]

There is nothing to talk about. Devs really are showing their unwillingness towards job adjustments. No AST changes, and put no effort to bring physical range jobs' gap closer to the rest DPS jobs.
The RDM change is like adding a 1 to your damage number, while the SMN nerf is like minus 1 to your damage number. Both serve little to no impact. WAR change is basically saying, "Um yeah, here is tank adjustment that changes nothing; but it's a buff, so shut up now."

While RDM is lowest among casters, physical range jobs are even lower than that. I think I will have to switch to melee or SMN for high end.

I'm not sure if the balance team had some kind of grudge against players dislike adjustment in the past few years or what. It feels like they are trolling hard because this is zero effort.

[Nedkel]

I like how random that shake it off buff is, like wat do they even mean by that.
Why not give warrior a nascent flash self cast only i dont understand, why they have not changed this annoying ability.

[gman1311]

I like how random that shake it off buff is, like wat do they even mean by that.
Why not give warrior a nascent flash self cast only i dont understand, why they have not changed this annoying ability.

Yeah seriously, I guess they don’t want to make warrior self efficient? My guess they really don’t want to go back to the days of HW where Warrior was a monster with blood bath.

I miss blood bath so much.

[Shurrikhan]

Yeah seriously, I guess they don’t want to make warrior self efficient? My guess they really don’t want to go back to the days of HW where Warrior was a monster with blood bath.

But Warriors already have that capacity, but with a further half to their healing and a 10% mitigation benefit to another, in any content that matters?

[Valorak]

Calling the Foul change a "nerf", is disingenuous. It's about an 8% potency loss for 2-3 monsters, 4% for 4, equal at 5, a 5% buff at 6, and then it continues to grow larger from there. So it's a nerf to smaller groups, but it ends up being a sizeable buff for larger groups. Now on to RDM.

RDM has more utility than the majority of DPS classes, especially during progression (and ESPECIALLY if you do pugs). If the dev team's goal is to have decent balance while also retaining the uniqueness of the various jobs, then RDM shouldn't ever have super competitive, single-target DPS with a job that has limited utility. That means that limited buffs are probably the best avenue of approach. Buffing Fleche and Veraero/thunder by 4-5% was probably enough to bring them close to what the dev team wanted. Also, as someone pointed out earlier, removing the falloff from Contre-Sixte is a significant buff to RDM AoE, but that's more of a niche/dungeon buff.

None of which particularly matters, imo. There are certainly some classes that could do with some love, but shifts to the meta should really only affect people aiming for world firsts. Everyone else can play whatever they want and are able to clear any content, assuming that they know the fight and how to play their class well.

Long story short, if you're someone that's gonna have a cow about every single change, then please at least know what you're talking about.

EDIT: typos and stuff

[Shalan]

Thank god they had the foresight to not tell us the class changes ahead of time.
I don't think I could have handled this level of changes without more time to mentally prepare myself /s

[Lium]

RDM main here. Our damage will never be on the level of BLM or SMN. And it shouldn't be.

[DubiousDisk]

I truly feel RDM should've gained more, on a lot more skills.
While yes it shouldn't be edging next to BLM in damage, but it 100% should not be just as weaker(but slightly stronger) that the range DPS, who already have their own issues as is.
Then again, MNK is still in a insanely clunky spot as well and SE basically ignored them outside of PvP(where hilariously, they are pretty damn great and fluid).

Now I'm not number cruncher, but I feel that they should do something for some classes in a mid patch update or something.

[QT_Melon]

Need more fight design where each job can outshine the other than just a simple DPS metric imo than just beating up the boss and not that "well you got this trash fight or 1 sub boss for each party" I know it's easier said than done.

I do think the ranged disparity is a bit too big, especially if a person messing up on another job is still getting higher than the ranged.

But other than that it just feels like "everything is passable" rather and leaving it at that than adding in "we're gonna let X job REALLY enjoy this fight" And it shouldn't be like for example "ranged have mobility so let them be the mechanic monkey" that seems to be the way for some of the encounters in raid.

It would also have to let go of the idea X job has to be at the top of every encounter. But yeah...like said easier said than done.