Holy now a bannable spell.

[Melichoir]

Because you got to look behind intent of said action.

If you are playing said song, the music was added for players to play said music for themselves and others. So that action is deemed acceptable.


Spamming Holy in the city. Does not fall into that area. Because that spell is used for combat, and that area combat is not needed.

We dont live in a system of intent and you should know this well enough. One person's fun is another person's annoyance. If I stand next to you, pick fife, and play the highest pitched notes back and forth in a loose tune, is that harassment or just part of the game? How can you tell, let alone the GM? I can legitimately say Im just playing it for fun and tryin stuff out.

This is my point, and the core issue. You cant tell intent, and it's not about the skill and it's use, its about the how a player feels regarding another player. It doesnt matter about location or intent, it only matters how Player A feels about Player B. Pelotan isnt a combat ability, and it too would fall into the category of abuse based on what occurred. Or flipping things around, if I am running around playing Fife in a field, can someone report me cause it's annoying? I mean, Fife isnt a combat skill and has no place out in the world. If this was an action that the Devs did not want to occur at all, they couldve disabled combat skills within the city. It's not like skills arent already coded into categories as it is, or that they dont already have the functionality built into the game as it were.

Hell, speaking of intent, what is considered spam. Is twice in a city spam? Three Times? Four Times? If someone reported cause its annoying and harassment, doesnt only once matter? What if its not even teh same spell. Lets say youre using BLU and you shooting of a few spells to show them off or whatever, does that count? What if Im just having fun with a group of people in a corner and someone runs by on their way to a quest and sees me using unleash a few times. that Bannable? What if Im using pelotan a few times cause I keep missing who Im trying to apply it to. Does that count as ban worthy?

See, you dont know the intent of the player in question, you dont know what exactly counts as spam, you dont know the circumstances of the situation, and you are fairly selective of "What counts and what doesnt" based on your own personal interpretations, and not what actually happened. To the best of our knowledge, the GM issues a 3 day suspension for someone using Holy at least more than once in a city at the behest of another player who thought it was annoying. That's it. So explain to me why youre so sure that your interpretation is the correct one and that the issue isnt a GM setting a precedent that using skills in city can get you suspended.

I would hazard a guess and the person who got banned had one of those macros where they add a chat line when they hit the spell. I'd ban for one of those.

I woudlnt be surprised. I typically give the benefit of the doubt to the GMs when threads like this come up simply because they typically dont ban players over innocuous things like this. Theyll give you a warning if they bother at all. More often than not the OP in these types of threads tends to leave out some crucial information to bolster their position. That being said, if everything is legit, than this is way to much IMO and a bit out of line for the GMs.

[Arrius]

Guess I have to report all the people doing ocean fishing and spam desynthing fishes now. It is really annoying, they deserve a ban too.
And then these people using sprint on cooldown, can you believe that? How rude.

Next ban will be a player explaining a mechanic to a newbie asking for it. So toxic and elitist and also spoilering content, very bad for the community.


Patch 5.25 gonna be like: Holy has been removed or needs a target to activate.

Way to overblow the issue, man.

Just don't be a jerk when it's about spamming spells in public hubs and social areas where they don't have a use outside being a visual and audio annoyance.

[Hyperia]

Patch 5.25 gonna be like: Holy has been removed or needs a target to activate.

More like they will increase the potency a bit and place it on a 60 second CD.

[Alleo]

Guess I have to report all the people doing ocean fishing and spam desynthing fishes now. It is really annoying, they deserve a ban too.
And then these people using sprint on cooldown, can you believe that? How rude.

Next ban will be a player explaining a mechanic to a newbie asking for it. So toxic and elitist and also spoilering content, very bad for the community.


Patch 5.25 gonna be like: Holy has been removed or needs a target to activate.

Whats with all these strange arguments? How can we even compare them? One is an action you normally only do against monsters which people spam where no monster is (thus its only use is to annoy) while the one with the fishes are using it the intended way..(And I guess if someone is following you and uses this action again and again to troll you, you still might be able to report them..but the normal action in that context is not spam)

Continued forum presents, if the Devs don't see anything, they don't know of anything from the community.
With what was said in the picture, it's reason to ban any repeat use of any skills with no exceptions. Someone could decide they don't like a player in a instance and use this to abuse the system to get them temporary banned, aka suspended.

Oh come on..whats with that argument that GM should suddenly ban people in instances where the use of the spell is necessary? Just be a nice person and I am quite sure you wont be banned. If you want to spam spells spam it in a house with your friends.

If you do something like that which annoys people then deal with the punishment, learn from it and move on.

[technole]

You know Limsa Lominsa is the most toxic place in the game, it's not too surprising it was reported there. Full of bench gatekeepers, attitudes, and stuff. But alas it does spam the battle log, which shouldn't be rolling in towns cause there isn't an event FATE. So a GM has technical ground here. Petty? I think so, just the fact it happened in Limsa throws further fuel to the fire.

[Sathona]

Man this community really has some VERY sensitive people.

[SturmChurro]

Man this community really has some VERY sensitive people.

I won't report someone for spamming holy in a city, or emote spamming (Yes, they ban for emote spamming too). But God does it feel good to see one of those annoyances banned. People should already know how heavy-handed GMs are in this game, and most other games by the way. It's not exclusive to FFXIV. I got an account warning for ESO last month for "spamming", I was "spamming" "LFM" for a world boss while running a group of new players who wanted me to get more. I was even spacing my calls out. Doesn't matter, I probably got reported. It's just the mentality of players in general nowadays, same reason games like R6 siege have (or had - I haven't played in a couple years) a chat bot.

I would hazard a guess and the person who got banned had one of those macros where they add a chat line when they hit the spell. I'd ban for one of those.

Oh. My. God. Can you imagine if they did? With like the gigantic chat spam with the makeshift faces?

[monk-dps]

I won't report someone for spamming holy in a city, or emote spamming (Yes, they ban for emote spamming too). But God does it feel good to see one of those annoyances banned. People should already know how heavy-handed GMs are in this game, and most other games by the way. It's not exclusive to FFXIV. I got an account warning for ESO last month for "spamming", I was "spamming" "LFM" for a world boss while running a group of new players who wanted me to get more. I was even spacing my calls out. Doesn't matter, I probably got reported. It's just the mentality of players in general nowadays, same reason games like R6 siege have (or had - I haven't played in a couple years) a chat bot.

Oh. My. God. Can you imagine if they did? With like the gigantic chat spam with the makeshift faces?

One.. you're a viera again. Two.. your " Oh.My.God" had me dying. I read that in the valley girl voice and I can't even why tho lol.

[SturmChurro]

One.. you're a viera again. Two.. your " Oh.My.God" had me dying. I read that in the valley girl voice and I can't even why tho lol.

Yeah, my avatar hasn't updated at least for me..

"Oh. My. God" is EXACTLY what I say when I see someone spamming that! Have you heard the ones with noises?! It's like "YEAH, WE ARE GONNA BLOT OUT THE CHAT WITH A RAIN OF MOOGLE FACES!"

[monk-dps]

Yeah, my avatar hasn't updated at least for me..

"Oh. My. God" is EXACTLY what I say when I see someone spamming that! Have you heard the ones with noises?! It's like "YEAH, WE ARE GONNA BLOT OUT THE CHAT WITH A RAIN OF MOOGLE FACES!"

I'm not gonna lie.. I did like your au ra abit better.. comparing faces atleast. I'm not on your data center so I can't stare and compare. But yeah I've seen some insane marcos in chat. The most insane one I heard went on for like 5 mins. I died. It was out of left field and had me rolling. But yeah, stuff like that would get people instantly pissed.