How do you think Yoshida would react to the following hypothetical regarding parsing?

[Gemina]

Well sir, that would be x1000 favors you would be doing for SE. This is like a farmer having troubles with rodent pests, and a whole herd of them conveniently toss themselves in his snares.

If you think strength in numbers will amplify the voice, prevent expulsion, or the best case scenario for you; get them to cave, you would be sorely mistaken. When bars and nightclubs 86 half of their regulars because they simply can't obey the rules, it normally stays in business. Any guesses why? It isn't necessarily because they attract new customers (even though they eventually do), but it's because the patrons that remain come in more frequently, stay longer, and spend more.

Ultimately, when businesses thrive or fail, it almost always comes down to how they are managed. Another nice little fact I will throw in there, is that the people who get 86'd from public places like those spend the least amount of money, and in addition to breaking the rules of the establishment, they also tend to violate laws that would get said business in serious trouble. So yeah very doubtful Yoshi would be complacent with such an act, and instead would kick over the can of fuel and light the match himself. The guy is pretty passionate, and he has shown no love for this kind of software.

[Gula]

Well sir, that would be x1000 favors you would be doing for SE. This is like a farmer having troubles with rodent pests, and a whole herd of them conveniently toss themselves in his snares.

If you think strength in numbers will amplify the voice, prevent expulsion, or the best case scenario for you; get them to cave, you would be sorely mistaken.

Area 51's failure apparently didn't teach some people a lesson.

[Vnolan]

If you think strength in numbers will amplify the voice, prevent expulsion, or the best case scenario for you; get them to cave, you would be sorely mistaken.

They just had a chance to flex their muscles with the automated waymark placement. How did that turn out?

So yeah very doubtful Yoshi would be complacent with such an act, and instead would kick over the can of fuel and light the match himself. The guy is pretty passionate, and he has shown no love for this kind of software.

Which act? Parsing? He already said he's fine with it if you keep it to yourself. You believe the "we can't be sure" excuse about streaming? If an influencer were to make hateful comments, you can bet they would not be invited to the next event.

The fact that you wouldn't be criticizing/harassing players with the data doesn't matter since they already explicitly said "Please don't use them." and stated that such tools are against the ToS.

It's not about whether it's allowed, but whether they would choose this of all instances to hand out punishment. Participation wouldn't have to be limited to those that can parse. Those without access to one could have a friend relay the info over outside channels and let them post it in-game. Those players would be at risk just the same despite not using a parser. Do you not see how ridiculous the whole situation is? People try to compare to real-world law, but it would be like something is only illegal if you admit to it. Doesn't matter if it was impossible for you to commit the act, you said you did and that's all the proof needed.

I'm sure there are better ways to approach the situation, but what's proposed here will do more harm than good.

No one is proposing anything. It's a hypothetical which should be obvious since the people who would be needed to partake in such an event (those with parsers) would have no incentive to (because they can already parse).

Whereas you have another culture that completes more of it and doesn't make loud threats for the most part about parsers exclusion from the game.

Koike incident happened on NA servers?

[Mahrze]

No one is proposing anything. It's a hypothetical which should be obvious since the people who would be needed to partake in such an event (those with parsers) would have no incentive to (because they can already parse).

Ah, a freudian slip. Got it.

[QT_Melon]

Koike incident happened on NA servers?

Moogle Post.
Authars.

Accusations someone was cheating because they were doing Gathering desynth.

[Mahrze]

Moogle Post.
Authurs.

The Moogle Post Incident is completely separate from the Parsing/ACT issue.


Arthars' issue was more like the inverse Koike incident. And things like what Arthars did are also related to other less popular streamers who have been caught mid-stream about doing a freudian slip or 10.

[QT_Melon]

The Moogle Post Incident is completely separate from the Parsing/ACT issue.


Arthars' issue was more like the inverse Koike incident. And things like what Arthars did are also related to other less popular streamers who have been caught mid-stream about doing a freudian slip or 10.

Koike's incident was more about harassment because parsers weren't even directly involved at that time. So yeah Moogle Post ACTUALLY counts, it made news headlines in gaming publications.

My point earlier is more cultural, and right now the NA is thinking their NA method would work against a culture that generally finds such behavior abhorrent.

[Valorak]

It's not about whether it's allowed, but whether they would choose this of all instances to hand out punishment. Participation wouldn't have to be limited to those that can parse. Those without access to one could have a friend relay the info over outside channels and let them post it in-game. Those players would be at risk just the same despite not using a parser. Do you not see how ridiculous the whole situation is? People try to compare to real-world law, but it would be like something is only illegal if you admit to it. Doesn't matter if it was impossible for you to commit the act, you said you did and that's all the proof needed.

I'm not entirely sure what this protest would accomplish then, aside from showing that it's an unusual circumstance to run into in the real world. That said, FFXIV isn't the real world, nor is it run by a government with the authority to potentially investigate your personal belongings and every other aspect of your life during an investigation.

So if you walk up and say "I am running ACT, here are my logs", then they'll probably just take you at your word and issue a punishment if they think that it's appropriate. Considering the kind of "don't rock the boat" stance that they've always taken on 3rd-party tools, I doubt that they'd be very happy about some sort of demonstration that's meant as a deliberate poke in the eye.