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    Kengi_Stargazer's Avatar
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    Mog station itms for NON Savage Raid/Trial players

    There are players world wide to this game that due to a wide range of physical or mental disabilities who would love to enjoy the items that Savage content players are capable of getting. Maybe for future development of the game start to release older savage content like the Coil , Alex Savage , etc allow those players who cannot compete with that content to have access to the Mounts/Minions though the mog station. Perhaps even add the Gear as coffers per job or as a bundle option. The players would not have the Achievements or in game clear of the content but have the items giving them a more than fair chance for them to have items they wish without punishing them for limitations real life has put on them while enjoying the game. On SE's side of things it would add more options of revenue though Mog station sales.
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    No thats a horrible idea sorry. The rewards are for completing the content. Square has already put in alturnitives for you.
    Coil gear has craftable options on the mb
    Alex, omega amd eden have the normal versions. Yes the normal gear is not dyeable but it is there
    Coil and alex are laughably easy now using the unsync system that in some cases you can solo it and others you can do it with a handful of players like your fc with little to no difficulty.
    Omega most likely reach that level too with a few more gear ups.

    They don't need to give an alturnitive method and it deffiantly dosn't need to be pay walled either.
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    Maybe not gear then but your leaving out the minions and mounts. And not everyone can do them with the Elitist mentality of players who demand discord , watch vids , ect to clear anything it discriminates against who cannot. I speak from personal experience having physical and mental limitations thanks to injuries in Real life. Being unable to do that form of content and having ZERO alternatives to clearing it to get items I would like. Then take into account the others out there world wide who have say memory issues or has to play with alternative input devices is unable to do the harder versions or even normal ones in some cases. So doing this is assisting them as players rather than discriminating against who cannot physically ect do that. Right now SE has refused to implement things like this and say putting them on paywall would be beneficial to SE outside of that what would you suggest as a means for it maybe say Spend Tomes for them be it Poetics with the swap in and out that old to new goes?
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    As much as I do understand what you mean, I cannot agree with this.
    Even if it's for older content, it would turn FFXIV in a somewhat P2W and I certainly am not interested in such thing. We cannot buy gear (with stats I mean, not the glamour ones) on the Mogstation for a reason. Everything can be earned throught playing. Yes savage content may be difficult to do, but that's the whole point ; players who won the gears, mounts and minions from Alexander, Coil or whatnot did it fairly. It wouldn't be fair to them to just throw everything on the Mogstation because, unfortunately, some players can't/won't clear said content.
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    Ok so your ok that its Discriminating against those players....got ya. Glad to know the elitist status is in full swing rather than helping those who need help. I am honestly surprised someone with your mindset didn't throw the Git Gud trope out there.
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    I'm totally against it. It would turn this game into Pay2Win.
    Those items are a earned reward for beating the content, not for paying in cash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kengi_Stargazer View Post
    Being unable to do that form of content and having ZERO alternatives to clearing it to get items I would like.
    So you want the items to be handed to you on a silver platter? Like "Sorry, I tried and failed, please give it to me anyway"? - that's not how a challenge works.
    If the current ones are too hard, gather some friends and try the previous tiers 10 levels below your max-level. Or 20 levels below. You should at least be able to get the HW-savage-birds by now and the ponies. For the wolves and above you just have to wait for the next expension if they are still too hard for you.
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    Last edited by Pepsi_Plunge; 02-14-2020 at 04:37 PM.
    Pepsis Eorzea-Tagebuch:
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    You know that demanding a payment instead is more ableist right? Square have input tools as much as possible to help give everyone a equal chance to clear the content. Savage and ultimate are the highest forms of difficulty content in this game. You are not entitled to the rewards you have to work for it.

    There are plenty of people who are disabled including myself who do savage or have done savage who will massively disagree with this. Espically as there are other routes to get these rewards even if it means waiting to be able to unsync it.

    Edit:
    Sad i predicted the throwing of elitist would happen the moment people disagreed with you. Again repeating my point above it is not discrimination as you are not entitled to those rewards. Square givds plenty of alturnitives and plenty of tools to help people complete that content.
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    Last edited by Kogekigami; 02-14-2020 at 04:27 PM.

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    Normally I do not chime in on any thread or post on the forums, but this grabbed my interest.

    There are players world wide to this game that due to a wide range of physical or mental disabilities who would love to enjoy the items that Savage content players are capable of getting.
    As a physically disbaled and mentally disabled person, I feel outright insulted by having someone claim we cannot even do savage or go back and unsyc stuff. We are not some kind of card you can use for pity or to press the "importance" of your point.
    Hell, unsyncing stuff is easily done and I'm sure if one would ask around, people would help get people their glamours if they wish for.

    And not everyone can do them with the Elitist mentality of players who demand discord , watch vids , ect to clear anything it discriminates against who cannot. I speak from personal experience having physical and mental limitations thanks to injuries in Real life.
    This above still does not give justification to your request, not everyone is an elitist and yes. Having some knowledge on a fight is basic courtesy if you are going back in to an unsynced fight so things go a bit smoother.

    Your disability does not grant you a get-a-way free card for not having some decency towards your fellow players. It can be an explenation on why you cannot do certain tasks well, but not doing things because it is "Elitist" is just wrong.

    I have a concentration problem, I have a form of Autism and have joint problems, and am struggling with things due to it. However, I am also someone who has cleared these things when they've come out with flying colours and results. And never have I used my disability to get things handed to me.

    The solution to this, is to make friends or reach out in shout. There is a community in this game and a lot of people are willing to help out, not even having to use third party websites or applications like Discord. But these things? They should never be put in the mogstation, because why do content after it's become completely irrelevant if we can just throw a couple of <insert country's currency in here> like one of those infamous Korean MMO's.
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    Just do it unsynced at a later point with friends that help you clear it?

    You can pretty much unsync Alex with less than 8 people, so it already is pretty much easy mode. Instead of calling others 'elitist' ask them for help and maybe you would be surprised there are nice people out there.
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    I don't know, man.

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    coils besides nael are a joke unsync hardly require any thought
    Alex doesnt take much either anyone can do them if they put effort into it
    SB raids will get to the point too

    really is no need
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