It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Sairys]

They're not solely opinion based matters but they do serve some of that purpose. Hell, if turning glams off meant everyone appears as their default class outfits thats some processing power you're saving if your PC or your internet is on the lower end. Disliking a glam probably wont wipe your party but it makes co-existance in a social based game more difficult

What's your basis for this assertion?
The game would still be ultimately loading in a bunch of customisations and would still need to have all of the assets ready to go in case you just flipped it.

The problem doesnt lie in the tools but in the people using them (or not). I personally find that reporting someone for something you could easily solve on your end to be extremely intolerant and selfish, removing someone else from play is different than shielding yourself from someone.
I feel that the GMs only enable those ridiculous suspensions because there's an intolerant mass begging for the cleansing of things and people they dont like rather than using tools to customise their experience thus protecting themselves from offense.

Realistically, if that tool existed for the purpose you appear to believe it does then the GM response would have been to just use it.

You also keep complaining about stuff like people begging for the cleansing of things they don't like... this is what you're doing, you're asking to be able to, selectively or en masse, cleanse Eorzea of appearances that offend you, to pretend to yourself that those people don't exist and instead that everyone dresses in ways you deem appropriate, kinda ironic heh.

[RognarB]

What's your basis for this assertion?
The game would still be ultimately loading in a bunch of customisations and would still need to have all of the assets ready to go in case you just flipped it.

A simple guess, we're dealing with an awful lot of spaggeti code but I cant imagine having a default state has to be this terrible.

Realistically, if that tool existed for the purpose you appear to believe it does then the GM response would have been to just use it.

Blacklisting is a tool that specifically allows you to control the communications you have and yet its still possible to be suspended over being rude, simply because its in high demand in the current social climate.

You also keep complaining about stuff like people begging for the cleansing of things they don't like... this is what you're doing, you're asking to be able to, selectively or en masse, cleanse Eorzea of appearances that offend you, to pretend to yourself that those people don't exist and instead that everyone dresses in ways you deem appropriate, kinda ironic heh.

The difference is that it would only affect he user's perception, rather than actively removing people from the game or infringing on their ability to glam as they see fit. You are not cleansing the sun by wearing shades, you just protect yourself from its harmful rays.




The only valid point is that it would differ development time where some clientside meddling can easily fix some of it. There's already a mod out there that "removes" lalafels from the game, anyone enterprising enough could easily mod out the outfits they dislike.

[ReviaInfantry]

I probably don't care because in dungeon, I'm busy pushing buttons, in trials I'm busy doing footworks and pushing buttons and moreso in Savage.

For DoH and DoL I'm too busy press macro button and automated and go back to Netflix to care who dote, peek, harass, or whatever to me.

Only time I bother to care is when running into the crowd in Limsa because I need to buy raw mats for ARR crafts and that horrid era is over. Or MSQ, which is unskippable and still Netflix time too.

Anyway I ran as a tank wearing a maid dress, it is definitely deemed appropriate.

[Kohl]

Humans in real life are important. Your character in this game is not important, it's a file on your computer and on a server somewhere. Don't be so invested in this game with your values. Your char might get deleted from this game tomorrow due to server failure. This game's community does not represent real life society in any way at all. It's a niche among niches when it comes to means of entertainment.

Then it shouldn't matter to you what people have as glamours and you do not need a way to mute it. Since it doesn't matter.

[Sairys]

A simple guess, we're dealing with an awful lot of spaggeti code but I cant imagine having a default state has to be this terrible.

Cost vs benefit, if a lot of players were complaining about performance issues and it would actually help, they'd probably have done it.

Blacklisting is a tool that specifically allows you to control the communications you have and yet its still possible to be suspended over being rude, simply because its in high demand in the current social climate.

Because that behaviour is still against the rules regardless of whether or not you can blacklist it away. Really, the blacklist seems more of a stop-gap until a GM can come in and sort it out rather than some way to enable such people to play the game while acting the way they are.

The difference is that it would only affect he user's perception, rather than actively removing people from the game or infringing on their ability to glam as they see fit. You are not cleansing the sun by wearing shades, you just protect yourself from its harmful rays.

I don't know about you, but I'm not pretending the sun doesn't exist by wearing sunglasses lol, It's more along the lines of Arkangel from black mirror, that episode where one of the negative effects of such a thing was impairing personal growth.

The only valid point is that it would differ development time where some clientside meddling can easily fix some of it. There's already a mod out there that "removes" lalafels from the game, anyone enterprising enough could easily mod out the outfits they dislike.

I mean, if you really want an example of demand, given people haven't been mentioning such a mod already exists, can't be too many people wanting the feature lol.

[Penthea]

They're not solely opinion based matters but they do serve some of that purpose. Hell, if turning glams off meant everyone appears as their default class outfits thats some processing power you're saving if your PC or your internet is on the lower end. Disliking a glam probably wont wipe your party but it makes co-existance in a social based game more difficult

If your pc has so much trouble running the game to the point that it noticeably benefits from putting all players in the same outfit, then you need a new pc. Any gaming rig that has this particular issue with glams would have horrific performance in combat even with all the graphical settings down as low as possible.

Spell animations are significantly more taxing than clothing. I have a really good pc but in some fights my fps can drop for a brief moment due to the amount of spell effects going on (usually during a boss's ultimate attack or something of that nature), but I get zero performance issues even on the busiest days in the busiest towns. Earlier today the whole server was on top of msq npcs in several zones, and my pc didn't even hiccup in the slightest, but it can during some specific moments in combat.

Disliking a glam probably wont wipe your party but it makes co-existance in a social based game more difficult

You actually guarantee that people will have more difficulty co-existing if you allow them to remove glams from their view. Because when they go to another online multiplayer game they will be too used to living in a bubble that shielded them from the dreaded fashion choices of other players.

You cannot learn to co-exist with others if you refuse to acknowledge their different choices in appearance.

[RognarB]

You cannot learn to co-exist with others if you refuse to acknowledge their different choices in appearance.

You seem to fail to understand what co-existing means. Co-existence doesnt even require actions, its the absence of aggression which would put the existence of the other in danger.
Looking away when seeing something offensive does not threaten the existence of someone else, it merely allows for both players to continue existing without incident.
Reporting someone over something offensive, like a man in a dress or a south american ghost, directly threaten their existence. It is an act of violence intended to remove someone. A digital murder if you like. It doesnt matter if rules are the rules, most if not all suspensions stem from user report and the current way the Terms of service are written, extreme intolerance is encouraged and rewarded. People are losing access to the game over a sound/special effect and its being celebrated or apologia is made aplenty for. Thats not co-existence, thats not tolerance.
Its enthusiastic digital murder.
Thats why I'm always going to be in favor of user tools to help them tailor their social experience as it is better than to cut someone from the game over the slightest thing and call it progress.

[Penthea]

Looking away when seeing something offensive does threaten the existence of someone else

This is only the case if that something is potentially dangerous. Glams...are not dangerous.

Does your arm hurt from reaching that far?

The player told me they made a typo so the above response is no longer necessary.

Reporting someone over something offensive, like a man in a dress or a south american ghost, directly threaten their existence.

This is very interesting.

You have perhaps confessed that you find men in dresses offensive. Maybe this is why you're in this thread.

[RognarB]

This is only the case if that something is potentially dangerous. Glams...are not dangerous.

Does your arm hurt from reaching that far?

Typo, its late and I'm tired.

This is very interesting.

You have perhaps confessed that you find men in dresses offensive. Maybe this is why you're in this thread.

I'm refering to my two examples from earlier, if you're going to argue at least do it in good faith.

[SamRF]

He was just expressing himself. Who are you to censor him? He was just existing. Just turn your camera away.



You don't need to respond. I just find it funny how it's cool when you want to censor something server side but not when we want to censor something only client side.

Thank you for standing up for us holy spammers. Spamming holy in towns is part of my identity, I feel unwelcome and threatened when I hear people are against this, the fact that there's an option to disable battle effects insults me beyond measure. Idk what I would do if I was unable to express my self this way, my existence would be futile. Why don't people understand they have no right to decide how I present myself!!?