It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[GigaTobi]

Pls Ryne Outfit Glamour!

[Alleo]

Also to see this a bit more positive. Maybe such a toggle would give them the reason to finally unlock more genderlocked stuff because right now they are taking it slowly and are careful on what to unlock because they know that not every player would be fine with it. With a toggle they can just simply say that if you dont want to see x you have to toggle it. Thus this might give them the reason to finally give us less limitations in other parts.

The OP and others have made it clear their support of this feature is because they find things such as men in dresses objectionable and want dev time spent on this because of that.

Some arguing for might actually not agree with that but it is part of the arguments being presented in favour of the change and even the appearance that it could be supporting intolerance is something SE would need to consider.

Yeah lets put most people that are for this in one box. I for one just would like to use this features in story quests (and yes I mostly use trusts right now but I cant do that with trials..) so that cutscenes simply dont look bad. Having the last trial in Shadowbringers with that epic moment and then have other characters spawn into as chocobos and frogs really makes it feel all that heroic..so maybe give us trusts for trials too? Then at least I can enjoy the story like I want to..the rest of the time I thankfully can ignore most of the big cities.

Also what did people think about SE forcing them to take away their head gear in a certain scene in HW? How dare SE took away your freedom of choice there so that they clearly could demonstrate the emotions better.

[Tranquilmelody7]

But I do think hat swinging the other way and saying no one would be rude about it isn't really true either, and I suspect that even if they were not the majority, the instances where it did happen would be called out here on those forums at length (and high volume) and gnawed on like a hyena with a bone—just as seems to happen any time someone encounters a mentor they feel is toxic, or a raider, or an ACT user, or whatever else. So the issue would sound a lot more prevalent and overwhelming than it would probably actually be.

Indeed, that what was my whole point in bringing in such a hypothetical scenario.

Much like the recent disaster with datamining and world first's clears, it's more than possible than a few bad apples could ruin the feature for everyone, given how heavy handed Square Enix's response to harassment is in FF14.

The devs likely wouldn't want to risk opening a can of worms in regards to individual toggles to player's glamour.

[Zabuza]

The OP and others have made it clear their support of this feature is because they find things such as men in dresses objectionable and want dev time spent on this because of that.

Some arguing for might actually not agree with that but it is part of the arguments being presented in favour of the change and even the appearance that it could be supporting intolerance is something SE would need to consider.

Actually, no one has mentioned men in wedding dresses as the only thing. OP also mentioned females walking around in string bikinis. I mentioned the main reason I was arguing for this was I don't appreciate you wanting to control what appears on my screen in a game. I felt as if your side is arguing against freedom of choice. I mentioned animal outfits as an example of something ridiculous at least ten times, and men in dresses one time. On that note, are people allowed to disagree with men in dresses as a fashion choice? Are they allowed to think it just doesn't look good without people shrieking 'muh transphobia'? You're all constantly bringing up the men in dresses to try to fit your narrative that this is done for reasons of bigotry, rather than personal taste. Would you also say we're bigoted against animals, since animal outfits have been brought up numerous times by several people?

[Iscah]

But all these bards playing music where somebody can hear them are not heard at all if I click on the toggle thus they cant seemingly express themselves..or what big difference is between someone taking their time (or not) to create a beautiful piece of music and those that create glamours?

Because muting is not altering.

You hear their music, or you do not.

You're not asking for it to be somehow altered to be more pleasing to you.

Also to see this a bit more positive. Maybe such a toggle would give them the reason to finally unlock more genderlocked stuff because right now they are taking it slowly and are careful on what to unlock because they know that not every player would be fine with it.

how do you know that's why they're being "slow and careful" with it?

Perhaps it just takes time to work on new models in the middle of a busy schedule?

[Alleo]

Because muting is not altering.

You hear their music, or you do not.

You're not asking for it to be somehow altered to be more pleasing to you.


how do you know that's why they're being "slow and careful" with it?

Perhaps it just takes time to work on new models in the middle of a busy schedule?

And yet the person standing there playing the music for others to hear is muted out by an option. You are altering it by not playing the music, so what is going on, on your screen is different from the one that has bard performance not on mute. And yes I clicked it on to be please me because I am often annoyed by the music.

Because Yoshida himself has stated in an interview that they need to be careful with such things because he knows that there are still people that might be offended by it. And we do know that they can take their time when its something they dont want or are careful about. For example: Bunny suit for men. Here it as worked on by females because the male workers seemingly felt uncomfortable with it.

Edit: I honestly would be fine if it was just something that activates only at cutscenes or in instances.

[3c-33]

But all these bards playing music where somebody can hear them are not heard at all if I click on the toggle thus they cant seemingly express themselves..or what big difference is between someone taking their time (or not) to create a beautiful piece of music and those that create glamours? Why is it completely fine to be able to mute these people yet when someone wants to have an option for their screen to change glamour its compared to a horrible time in human history? I mean people can just not listen to the music right?

because muting and blocking is an easier option of simply looking away while altering someones appearance to suit you is not the same thing

And since when does a no mean that others cant just discuss it? What about all those that feel uncomfortable if certain people are wearing certain clothes? Suddenly those have to accept it too..I mean if we open up to that then SE would never be able to introduce any kind of new item or content into the game because certain people will always be against it. In the end this is simply a discussion..a discussion where people that are for it are called names or are told that this is like segregation of real people..

ive read through all 80 pages of this thread and it's definitely not a discussion it's more like a giant echo chamber where two groups of people on different sides of the glass incessantly drone on about their side of the argument. but i forgot to mention it's one way glass and you can't actually hear or see eachother. like every other page someone just says something someone else did word for word ten pages ago and this is the most pointless thread ive ever seen, no progress has been made since page one

[jazo]

"It's actually because it's breaks the theme and feel of it being a final fantasy game"

Someone needs to play more FF games


Showing Skin is not outside of a FF game


Actually, we need bigger breast sliders for a more FF "feel"

[ElciaDeiLinus]

Why stop at glamours? Maybe we could have an option to turn all Lalafells to either Viera or Hrothgar, client side.

Why stop at a profanity filter, presence of one obviously means we'll be removing all speech next.

[Reinha]

Why stop at a profanity filter, presence of one obviously means we'll be removing all speech next.

Are you unaware you can already turn off chats in your chatbox?