It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Theodric]

The proposal in this thread is to give an option to hide the choices of others from your view. In a MMORPG.

Which is in itself an option, to allow players to tweak the experience to their personal tastes. It also doesn't matter that it's an MMO given that the development team have implemented many features to ensure that players have the tools to distance themselves from other players already if they so wish. For whatever reason they so please.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I forbid them from entering my house.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I choose to adjust the character lighting settings and see their character in a different manner to how they see them on their screen.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I choose to block them so they cannot send me messages.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I opt to block bard performances so I cannot hear them.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I make the decision to turn off spell effects, which displays their character differently on my screen to their own.

The option to hide their glamour is just an extension of the tools already available to us.

[Bright-Flower]

Which is in itself an option, to allow players to tweak the experience to their personal tastes. It also doesn't matter that it's an MMO given that the development team have implemented many features to ensure that players have the tools to distance themselves from other players already if they so wish. For whatever reason they so please.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I forbid them from entering my house.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I choose to adjust the character lighting settings and see their character in a different manner to how they see them on their screen.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I choose to block them so they cannot send me messages.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I opt to block bard performances so I cannot hear them.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I make the decision to turn off spell effects, which displays their character differently on my screen to their own.

The option to hide their glamour is just an extension of the tools already available to us.

I didn't say it was restricting peoples freedoms. Just that I see less value in being given an option to hide other peoples choices than I do in giving people new choices/toys for their own characters.

My main reason for being against this is the dev time, and possible performance issues. Because additional code is going to need to be running whenever someone's character is rendered, to determine whether to show or hide the glamour. All for what, so people don't have to see the occasional joke glamour? And where do we go from there, do we also add the ability to hide all the people with ugly hair and face options so we don't have to see those too? Outlandish dye colors on gear that isn't glammed?

I'd much rather dev resources go into giving players new things for our own characters rather than putting time into features to shelter us from the choices of other peoples characters.

[Dogempire]

Which is in itself an option, to allow players to tweak the experience to their personal tastes. It also doesn't matter that it's an MMO given that the development team have implemented many features to ensure that players have the tools to distance themselves from other players already if they so wish. For whatever reason they so please.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I forbid them from entering my house.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I choose to adjust the character lighting settings and see their character in a different manner to how they see them on their screen.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I choose to block them so they cannot send me messages.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I opt to block bard performances so I cannot hear them.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I make the decision to turn off spell effects, which displays their character differently on my screen to their own.

The option to hide their glamour is just an extension of the tools already available to us.

Except if you couldn't lock your home people could just waltz in on you when you want privacy.

If you couldn't change someone's lighting you could literally just place light sources instead and achieve the same effect.

If you couldn't block someone then gil sellers would be bombarding you 24/7 with dms about their gil selling site and you couldn't do anything about it.

If you couldn't mute bard performances people can just play obnoxiously, and not just 1 person 5 or 6 people could do that.

If you couldn't turn off spell effects you wouldn't be able to see anything when doing hunts and would probably die to mechanics where you have to know where the front of the mob is.

Compared to all of these things, turning off glamours so you don't have to see that Viera's bikini or that person's frog suit seems like a dumb reason.

[Theodric]

Compared to all of these things, turning off glamours so you don't have to see that Viera's bikini or that person's frog suit seems like a dumb reason.

In your opinion. Though as this thread proves, there's plenty of demand for such a feature to be implemented - and it's the sort of feature that doesn't need the permission of the targeted players as it doesn't affect them in any way whatsoever and the features listed in my previous post prove that there is an established precedent.

Luckily the development team are also well aware that they cannot simply cater to one particular type of player, so there's a decent chance that further toggles and restrictions on other players will be implemented over time. More options means more options across the board, not just when it suits someone to have a feature that they, specifically, enjoy.

[Melichoir]

This is "I dont like other peoples glamours so let me have the devs take resources so I dont have to look at it."

Besides, think this through for a hot minute. You think it looks bad with people running around in speedos or swimsuits, then tell me how its gonna look when people are wearing a mishmash of gears that dont even work together for a nice visual aesthetic?

[Penthea]

I'm back here again because something occurred to me, and it didn't before because this particular issue is something I have been fortunate to not have for a very long time.

There was a long period of time when WoW didn't have transmog (glam) so whatever your gear looked like, you were stuck with that. Even back then WoW had gear that showed cleavage, thighs, waist, etc. I had a few weirdos whisper me about how great my character's body looks.

Since being able to transmog/glam I dress my characters modestly. I like my glams to look practical. There are some exceptions, like the 2B dress, but I never use the legs from the same set because I don't fancy showing my knickers and the curves around it to the world.

But as we all know there is some gear in the game that looks far from practical or modest, and it often is combat gear. I don't like the idea that someone could unglam my character's modest gear into something potentially very revealing that I specifically chose to hide. And then angle their camera to get a good look me. And maybe even upload screenshots of what they found.

I don't need to explain that mmorpgs tend to attract a certain type of creep, and I would like to be able to continue to possess what little power I have to not catch their attention. I can already see the posts from the opposition saying "but I wouldn't creep on anyone!" and while that may be true, you cannot guarantee that someone else would not.

If someone likes to dress provocatively, I'm fine with it. It doesn't bother me. If they like to get attention from that sort of wardrobe, again that's fine with me. I respect their choice to wear revealing clothing, but I would also like others to respect my choice to not do that. By removing my glam you are removing my choice to not wear something that could get attention that I do not want.

Another thing that occurred to me is that even if OP's suggestion comes to the game, there is nothing stopping people from wearing the outfits they hate to see in non-combat zones. If the option comes to the game, everyone will know, and there will be a push-back from those who want to be seen in a particular way. And they would just wear the gear they intended to use as a glam so that no one can remove their outfits.

[Hysterior]

So now that we have female characters tanking in string bikini's and now men in wedding dresses, it's time to adopt an option a lot of other games have: Hide Glamour. Naturally troglodyte are going to assume it's because of the men in dresses. It's actually because it's breaks the theme and feel of it being a final fantasy game. Tanks should wear plate, healers should wear robes, and no one should be in a fight seriously wearing carbuncle slippers and lingerie.

I don't propose a limit to glamour, I just want to be able to turn off other players glamours displaying on my client. That way they can "Express" themselves all they want, and I don't have to suffer another topless male in a thong.

It's time (Option to Hide other ugly people in real life)

So now that we have ugly women on Instagram and now men wearing make-up, it's time to adopt an option that makes no sense: Hide ugly people.
Naturally troglodyte are going to assume it's because of the men wearing makeup.
It's actually because it's breaks the theme and feel that life is beautiful.
Men should be tanned and buff and women should be thin but still have curves, and no one should have pimples, cellulite or other gross things.

I don't propose that we kill ugly people, I just want to be able to turn off their ugly looks so I don't have to look at them.
That way they can "Express" themselves all they want, and I don't have to suffer another ugly person.


How does this feel? Sounds reasonable?

[DumdogsWorld]

It's time (Option to Hide other ugly people in real life)

So now that we have ugly women on Instagram and now men wearing make-up, it's time to adopt an option that makes no sense: Hide ugly people.
Naturally troglodyte are going to assume it's because of the men wearing makeup.
It's actually because it's breaks the theme and feel that life is beautiful.
Men should be tanned and buff and women should be thin but still have curves, and no one should have pimples, cellulite or other gross things.

I don't propose that we kill ugly people, I just want to be able to turn off their ugly looks so I don't have to look at them.
That way they can "Express" themselves all they want, and I don't have to suffer another ugly person.


How does this feel? Sounds reasonable?

If they could add a Youtube-style algorithm to social media sites for filtering out people deemed ugly based on past data, that would be amazing. It would be an option that is off by default and has to be enabled, but still.

I'm saying that if an artist doesn't want their work modified by someone else, that doesn't give someone else the go-ahead to modify it anyway even if they keep it to themselves and the artist never sees it, same concept here in modifying someone else's appearance on your screen only even if they never see it or know.

I guess we should agree to disagree on that.

[AriaFairchild]

The game doesn't have as much visual vomits like GW2 infusions but more options is always welcome.

[Crushnight]

Let's not bring politics into this. It's not relevant. I also think the inverse is occurring here - some people don't want others to be able to not see certain things, which comes across as forcing it down their throats rather than letting everyone play the game they want to. It does not affect those whose appearance is being filtered out except for the fact that it can't be seen by the person filtering it out. You seem to be prioritising your own discomfort over such a feature over letting others manage what they will or won't see on screen. Does their discomfort not matter because you think it stems from "prejudice" or w/e? Different people have different tastes and it would be nice to be able to tailor the game in certain respects, to filter out certain hideous glamours etc.

Framing this as "taking away" anything, as some people are doing, is disingenuous, because it would not suppress their appearance for anyone but the player who activates such a feature. So I am sorry to say I find the "concerns" over this feature to be another case of shoving one's own taste down the throats of others, rather than any genuine expression for mutual tolerance. I tolerate the other person's glamour, I don't tell them what to do with it but I also am not forced to see it. Where is the issue?

The point I was really making with the second point was this topic WAS getting too close to that parallel especially when someone said the option would be like having glasses in rl that change how people look to you (your side btw for adding the feature) which is just YIKES.

My first point was the main reason is why I don't think they will add because people WILL ask for a feature to disable seeing Miqo'tes, Vieras, Hrothgars, lalafels what have you should they implement this feature and it may be best to sometimes not to give the inch so they can ask for the mile.

Yes it is bad people have to tolerate what they see as inappropriate in a video game they are playing /s

But people also also have to be tolerate of others choice to not want to see inappropriate attire (not sarcasm)

But this feature is a forced measure on the user end with 0 communication to the people who are apparently offensive in their attire.

Also one last point the only ones who own the pixels is SE no one on either side of the argument can claim them so any adjustments that can be made to characters are SE sole discretion to be as limiting as they want it so stuff like it's my game so I should choose to view things my way is wrong, it's SE's game your just payed the privilege to play it.