It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[ZephyrMenodora]

Please stop hiding behind the fact this will never happen and truly answer this question. Say in a world where you had a magic wand and YoshiP said with a flick of your wrist you can add this option in the settings. Are you telling me you would say no because it would increase the amount of people that have open access to using it, but you can turn a blind eye to mods since they are not prevalent? You know if you can look past mods for various reasons, you know you can do it regarding a feature right?

Also, you greatly overestimate GM's enforcement of mods.

I hit my forum post limit so could not reply.

If there was some magic wand and this option could be added to the settings, but I had to give my approval for some reason as in the hypothetical you provided, I would say no. I say this as someone in game right now, waiting on my levelling roulette, looking at someone dressed as a lime green chicken mascot...

I am of the belief, as an older MMORPG player, that MMOs at their core are shared social experiences and you play in a shared world with other players, and not my personal sandbox that only I control and participate in. I believe character creation and expression is a core aspect of an MMORPGs. I believe people asking for this are antisocial and objectify other players. I don't believe other players in a shared experience should be able to control what MY character looks like and wears. I believe that I consent to game-approved outfits being displayed on screen at the moment I sub and continue to choose to play knowing such fashion exists in the game.

I think this whole request is petty and snowflakey. I also think this will never happen and never will in FFXIV or 99% of any MMORPG. (Again, GW2 that a certain misleading poster keeps going back to, despite this beind discussed pages ago, is a performance option, not a fashion option.)

And again, since this option is not in the game now and I doubt ever will be, I really have no reason to really care much more about this thread. The demands of a few (some who genuinely want this, others who just seem to enjoy arguing such as the "i don't care but I won't leave the thread types, and some who just like complaining about anything they can in FFXIV given the nature some posters on these boards), won't change it. The ramblings have gone on nearly 3 years now.

That said, I am pro-mod and people doing what they want behind the scenes, quietly, and never to be mentioned to me on their own client side. I don't care if PC users mod for this and I never have to hear about it or see my character changed on official forums or in game. Disagree with dev approval of this as a business model in this genre. I think it's a waste of dev resources and would hurt, not help, the bottom line of the game.

[VerdeLuck]

Good to know! Hopefully other stuff will follow.

Edit: It's just an all or nothing feature unfortunately. What if I wanna see your title, but not those of other individuals?

The point was that the game already gives you the options to avoid what you don't like, it's not a stretch to ask for more to avoid confrontations and arguments. As well, other games have definitely done this and it didn't cause an apocalyptic exodus of players, everything mostly just functioned the same with people who were upset by someone else's appearance just hiding them. If anything, after adding something like this there would be fewer disagreements since you wouldn't be forced to interact with people or things you don't want to.

But if they're going to do anything they should just make Visibility/Voidlist official. Just give people the options to not render other players if they choose, it sure makes some of the fates in the gold saucer actually playable without 100 models on your screen, and you could just remove any abusive person from your screen, no need to fight with them or argue with them, just immediate ignore button.

[Joven]

I am of the belief, as an older MMORPG player, that MMOs at their core are shared social experiences and you play in a shared world with other players, and not my personal sandbox that only I control and participate in. I believe character creation and expression is a core aspect of an MMORPGs.

This game is largely single player. As such it's not unreasonable for some to want a slightly more personal experience.

I believe people asking for this are antisocial and objectify other players. I don't believe other players in a shared experience should be able to control what MY character looks like and wears. I believe that I consent to game-approved outfits being displayed on screen at the moment I sub and continue to choose to play knowing such fashion exists in the game.

How is it "objectifying anyone? The fashion you subbed for will still be there and you will still be able to partake of it as much or as little as you want.

I think this whole request is petty and snowflakey.

And demanding that other people must see your glamour isn't?

I also think this will never happen and never will in FFXIV or 99% of any MMORPG. (Again, GW2 that a certain misleading poster keeps going back to, despite this beind discussed pages ago, is a performance option, not a fashion option.)

Doesn't matter it's intended purpose, only the fact it can be done.

The demands of a few

Still not a demand.

That said, I am pro-mod and people doing what they want behind the scenes, quietly, and never to be mentioned to me on their own sides.

So you're against people altering your appearance unless you don't know about it? Isn't that the whole point? You wouldn't know if someone was using this feature? You could argue that since it's official you would know, but you acknowledge mods exist and are fine with them. Double standard much?

Disagree with dev approval of this as a business model in this genre. I think it's a waste of dev resources and would hurt, not help, the bottom line of the game.

"Everything I don't like is a waste of dev resources." That's all this boils down to.

[VerdeLuck]

I'm so glad that the developers of this game have the forum warriors here to prevent them from sinking dev time and money into features that they're too stupid to know are a bad idea.
Thank you for looking out for the Square Enix Corporation's bottom line as well.

Without the people here, the poor japanese developers would run the game into the ground by blindly following the suggestions of random western players. Thank you for your service.

[Doc_Seraph]

Kupo <3 this is 2023 let people dress in what makes them happy. The real reason this could become a slight issue is most bis of course is not a full set of anything so it would look like crapola without the glam and then if folks started only wearing full sets that would just take away from stats causing yapping down the road etc..

I would just leave it alone kupo <3 but I do see the point.

[ZephyrMenodora]

This game is largely single player. As such it's not unreasonable for some to want a slightly more personal experience.



How is it "objectifying anyone? The fashion you subbed for will still be there and you will still be able to partake of it as much or as little as you want.



And demanding that other people must see your glamour isn't?



Doesn't matter it's intended purpose, only the fact it can be done.



Still not a demand.



So you're against people altering your appearance unless you don't know about it? Isn't that the whole point? You wouldn't know if someone was using this feature? You could argue that since it's official you would know, but you acknowledge mods exist and are fine with them. Double standard much?



"Everything I don't like is a waste of dev resources." That's all this boils down to.

Done with the topic, it's moot to me as this will never be a thing in XIV. I disagree with everything you say, and will never agree with you. Nor will you with me, so really what's the point. Only came to reply that asking that people see my glamours is a demand. No, it's not. It's how MMOs throughout history have always worked. I put on an outfit, and others see it.

Unless you account for the GW PERFORMANCE option, which also consolidates several races, removes ALL armors in the game aside from a few generic options per armor weight, and also removes faces and hair. Since such an option was never needed in XIV even in the PS3 days, I have no idea why people still cling to it here. It was never a glamor option. Really tired of having to reiterate the same thing to the "But GW2" people as though it was ever designed with fashion in mind.... good day!

[Bobby66]

Kupo <3 this is 2023 let people dress in what makes them happy. The real reason this could become a slight issue is most bis of course is not a full set of anything so it would look like crapola without the glam and then if folks started only wearing full sets that would just take away from stats causing yapping down the road etc..

I would just leave it alone kupo <3 but I do see the point.

To be fair no one is asking for people to not dress a certain way or even prevent someone from doing so, all this would be do is extend considerations for those that simply rather not see it for whatever reason.

I hit my forum post limit so could not reply.

If there was some magic wand and this option could be added to the settings, but I had to give my approval for some reason as in the hypothetical you provided, I would say no. I say this as someone in game right now, waiting on my levelling roulette, looking at someone dressed as a lime green chicken mascot...

I am of the belief, as an older MMORPG player, that MMOs at their core are shared social experiences and you play in a shared world with other players, and not my personal sandbox that only I control and participate in. I believe character creation and expression is a core aspect of an MMORPGs. I believe people asking for this are antisocial and objectify other players. I don't believe other players in a shared experience should be able to control what MY character looks like and wears. I believe that I consent to game-approved outfits being displayed on screen at the moment I sub and continue to choose to play knowing such fashion exists in the game.

I think this whole request is petty and snowflakey. I also think this will never happen and never will in FFXIV or 99% of any MMORPG. (Again, GW2 that a certain misleading poster keeps going back to, despite this beind discussed pages ago, is a performance option, not a fashion option.)

And again, since this option is not in the game now and I doubt ever will be, I really have no reason to really care much more about this thread. The demands of a few (some who genuinely want this, others who just seem to enjoy arguing such as the "i don't care but I won't leave the thread types, and some who just like complaining about anything they can in FFXIV given the nature some posters on these boards), won't change it. The ramblings have gone on nearly 3 years now.

That said, I am pro-mod and people doing what they want behind the scenes, quietly, and never to be mentioned to me on their own client side. I don't care if PC users mod for this and I never have to hear about it or see my character changed on official forums or in game. Disagree with dev approval of this as a business model in this genre. I think it's a waste of dev resources and would hurt, not help, the bottom line of the game.

Last question if I may since I understand that you are done. At the core, if we really boil it down leaving the complexities behind regarding implantation and cost.

At the core what is different from someone not seeing your character by not playing, and not seeing your character by using the feature? Either way the effect is the same they do not see your expression. I get you one might say one situation has the person playing and the other does not. Though if this is about expression and the social aspect does it not lead to the same end goal a possibility that someone may not see how your choose to express your character?

I fully understand the stance regarding cost and stuff to be against, but this notion of expression does confuse me because I just do not understand how someone not seeing you a certain way hinders that sense of expression. To me this seems like any other blacklist feature at the core. We are okay with blocking speech, but what people wear is where we draw the line?

[Joven]

Only came to reply that asking that people see my glamours is a demand. No, it's not.

Then why are you so against the idea of someone not seeing it?

Unless you account for the GW PERFORMANCE option, which also consolidates several races, removes ALL armors in the game aside from a few generic options per armor weight, and also removes faces and hair. Since such an option was never needed in XIV even in the PS3 days, I have no idea why people still cling to it here. It was never a glamor option. Really tired of having to reiterate the same thing to the "But GW2" people as though it was ever designed with fashion in mind.... good day!

Again doesn't matter the intended use in the game it's in, only that it is a thing that is possible.

[ty_taurus]

Then why are you so against the idea of someone not seeing it?



Again doesn't matter the intended use in the game it's in, only that it is a thing that is possible.

Well I for one do not want others seeing my character in the hideous current ilvl gear I have to wear for stats. How about you have the ability to disable my glamour, but I have the ability to disable your ability to disable my glamour so if I don't want to have my character perceived in a way, I'm not forced to.

[VerdeLuck]

Done with the topic, it's moot to me as this will never be a thing in XIV. I disagree with everything you say, and will never agree with you. Nor will you with me, so really what's the point. Only came to reply that asking that people see my glamours is a demand. No, it's not. It's how MMOs throughout history have always worked. I put on an outfit, and others see it.

Unless you account for the GW PERFORMANCE option, which also consolidates several races, removes ALL armors in the game aside from a few generic options per armor weight, and also removes faces and hair. Since such an option was never needed in XIV even in the PS3 days, I have no idea why people still cling to it here. It was never a glamor option. Really tired of having to reiterate the same thing to the "But GW2" people as though it was ever designed with fashion in mind.... good day!

You've said you were done like 5 times in this thread, just leave then, we'll keep going without you.