It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[MaxCarnage]

You're over blowing having to see other player's glamours.

I feel like this is becoming a sunk-cost fallacy for you. Where you're just in too deep and there's no turning back now. It feels like there's a need to win coming from you. Just an observation.

[Bobby66]

I stand by my statement regardless.
Call it a Preemptive strike on anybody who might say "its an easy feature to add" or actually believe "it wouldn't take any time away from anything"
Because.....coding takes time. Modding a game that only effects YOUR screen is different then altering game code that effects everything globally live on the server across Data Centers.




No Counter-argument XD
You just said "Just wear something else" which is basically telling someone what to do / a demand.
So....yeah.

And before you think to say "you weren't making a demand"
Then ill ask...did you really mean it? 'just wear something else' Or was it just some 'gotcha' to look clever?

Say if it could be added no questions asked, would you still feel as strongly as you do to not have it added, or would you be willing to live with it as an option?

[Xylira]

You were willfully ignoring one side of the argument...

You can keep claiming that, but I've addressed it already. I get not liking some people's glamours. There's some glamours I'm not fond of, but I accept having to see them as part of the entirety of the system. Getting to pick and choose what you see from other people's glamours diminishes the entire point of the system.

If these people are not associated with you, and don't chose to associate with you, then it should not matter to you. You are in their world as much as they are in yours.

This goes both ways, you know that right? If someone doesn't like silly or 'immersion breaking' glamours, they can choose not to associate with people who use them. To go so far as to entirely wish to entirely dismiss seeing their personalized character look entirely is the more over reaching and controlling position to take.

If people want to live in a medieval fantasy land where tanks are iron-clad and healers wear robes, there is 0 harm in that. That is how this game started, by the way, before glamour even existed.

FFXIV is not a medieval fantasy land. It is FFXIV. There are medieval elements to it, yes, but there are also many other aesthetics from silly, even modern ones, and a broad range beyond that. Garlemald has more modern elements from trams to what even appear to be cars. We have air ships, guns, lasers, robots, etc. We have an entire raid trilogy based on a sci-fi setting that is part of the game for crying out loud. If someone is playing FFXIV for a strictly medieval aesthetic, or even specifically steampunk, then they picked the wrong game.

Except you wouldn't know, because you wouldn't know who has it turned on. You wouldn't know if anyone has it turned on, especially those that do not associate with you. You still get to wear your glamour, thinking you look good, and other people don't have to look. It's not like you don't exist. You are as you always were; just another player standing around. Unimportant to someone else's story..

But I would know that some people are because there's an option for it, which would diminish my enjoyment of the glamour system knowing that not everyone sees my character in their chosen glamour. Which would also actually discourage me and others from bothering spending money buying mogstation outfits knowing that people could just disable seeing them, and I don't think SE would be happy with that.

Way to try and accuse me of manipulation. Not appealing to emotion, I'm simply saying that it is a visual toggle. A comparison just to make it easier to understand.

There you go again, assuming I don't understand. I get your position, I simply reject it for my aforementioned reasons. Your equivalence to an accessibility feature is also false, they are not similar as one as disabling the glamour system is deconstructive to an existing system in the game, while the other enables accessibility to the entirety of the game.

Ad hominem seem to be a common buzzword on the forums.

Perhaps you should read up on it and understand why it keeps getting mentioned. When you dismiss the substance of what someone is stating to instead focus on disparaging the person saying it or how they're saying it, you're engaging in an ad hominem which is considered a bad faith argument.

But I'll address what you say and I will repeat; You will still get to dress in your glamour. For someone to have control over you in this situation, they would have to take that away from you. Nothing is being removed from you, your character, or your experience. They are just enhancing their own experiences by removing god awful visuals. Which again, you would have no knowledge of the individual doing so. If that part bothers you so much, the not knowing, it sounds more like a psychological thing. And there is nothing that can stop you from feeling that way. But that does not change the in game experience for either party.

The glamour system enhances one's control over how others, including themselves, see their character in the game world. To allow others to disable seeing said glamour is an erosion of the control which a player has over their character's visuals. It is, quite actually, a diminishment of one's control over their own character's appearance to other players. Now that may not bother you, which is entirely fine that's your personal preference, but it does bother other players.

[Krotoan]

But I would know that some people are because there's an option for it, which would diminish my enjoyment of the glamour system knowing that not everyone sees my character in their chosen glamour. Which would also actually discourage me and others from bothering spending money buying mogstation outfits knowing that people could just disable seeing them, and I don't think SE would be happy with that.

So it's important to you that people, even if they actively dislike what you chose, HAVE to see it?

[Xylira]

So it's important to you that people, even if they actively dislike what you chose, HAVE to see it?

Yes, that's the entire point of the glamour system.

And not simply my own glamours, but everyone's glamours. Even if I don't like someone's glamours, they should be able to express themselves as they like with cosmetics available in the game.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Say if it could be added no questions asked, would you still feel as strongly as you do to not have it added, or would you be willing to live with it as an option?

Both.
Id still think its unnecessary and silly. BUT if it was implemented, ah well, its there.
Not like I have any real power here, I just play the game like all of you, its up to YoshiP, the Devs & SE is it actually happens or not.
My Opinion on the matter is just that.

[DixieBellOCE]

If i had the option i would hide 2B leggings.

[Krotoan]

Yes, that's the entire point of the glamour system.

And not simply my own glamours, but everyone's glamours. Even if I don't like someone's glamours, they should be able to express themselves as they like with cosmetics available in the game.

I think you and I engage with the glamour system on entirely different levels.

I use the glamour system to make my character look the way I like because I think it looks cool. Not so I can MAKE people look at it. The glamour system is in place in case you do not like the way your current gear looks together or you want a particular aesthetic for YOUR character. Not as a forced experience for others.


People are welcome to express themselves however they wish.. but what you're espousing is forced engagement with everyone in a medium that easily could accommodate other options but because if the system doesn't MAKE people see you it's worth less?
Do you have the same problem with instanced maps? People are in the same area.. shouldn't they be FORCED to see you if you're there? Is not having your character represented on ALL instances censoring you?

[Kes13a]

If i had the option i would hide 2B leggings.

I can live with the leggings.. its the over used and hideous boots that I would like to go away. you cannot unsee the feet.

[VerdeLuck]

Yes, that's the entire point of the glamour system.

And not simply my own glamours, but everyone's glamours. Even if I don't like someone's glamours, they should be able to express themselves as they like with cosmetics available in the game.

This is not the case at all, and their handling of the portrait system shows it. The tools are out there to express yourself in the portrait system, but I'm allowed to report people for sexual portraits and glams and they will get a talk with GMs over it. I am allowed to hide portraits if I don't want to see them due to whatever reason. People are allowed to censor the things they see themselves. I can censor you on my screen in many ways that don't censor you for other people, I don't think having glams follow the same rules is really that far out of the norm.