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  1. #3001
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    FFXIV is an MMORPG, which a large part of the point of an MMORPG is the social aspects. The glamour system adds value to the social aspect of the game by giving players ways to better express themselves through their characters. SE is very aware of this, it's the whole reason why Adventure plates and Instant Portraits were even added to the game, as they're yet another way for players to express themselves and better leverage the social aspect of the game.
    You're either intentionally or unintentionally missing the part that it would be entirely optional and only affect those who use it. At this point I would say it's intentional. Anyone who wishes to glamour and anyone who wishes to see those glamours can still do so at their leisure. It doesn't remove or limit social interaction in any capacity. It's no different than people who soley use the Trust system to run content. Should they not get to play because they don't want to be social?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    You have the option to not get upset about something unimportant, or to just play something different that better caters to your delicate sensibilities and narrow definition of 'appropriate aesthetics'.
    If it's so unimportant then why are you getting upset at the idea of someone using it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    Nice ad hominem thrown in there. I honestly really just kind of feel bad for you that other players choosing how their characters look is so distressing. Maybe MMORPGs aren't your thing.
    Nice ego telling others what is or isn't their thing. If you didn't want attention then the idea of someone not wanting to see your glamour wouldn't be so distressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    I'm not, SE is and this is their game after all.
    If you don't like the visuals SE are presenting, you know what M-letter word I'm going to suggest to you. (✿´ ꒳ ` )
    You may not be SE, but when you are against a client side feature that wouldn't affect you in any way then you are effectively trying to dictate what others see because they look at that feedback to decide whether or not to implement features.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    Sorry, but I'd still rather SE not waste development time adding a feature that detracts from the social aspect of the game. I wouldn't throw a fit if they added it, but I just don't see it being more positive than negative overall. Glamours exist for a reason, and if it was meant for only you to see your own glamours, then that's how SE would have implemented the system from the get go. You're also assuming that adding such a feature would even be a simple implementation. With how notoriously spaghetti coded the game is, it's likely not nearly as simple as you're assuming and could likely entail a massive amount of time to get working. Just look at the mess the instant portrait system has been with just getting it to work properly with glamours changing even slightly, and that's building something additional into the game, not modifying a fundamental system that's been baked in and referenced by several other aspects of the game at this point.

    Small indie company, please understand.
    Oh yeah 100% many people for feature have already acknowledged that this will never happen. Also not making assumptions on how difficult or easy it would be but yeah small indi team cannot even get hats to work.
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    Okay boomer.

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    It seems this is similar to other propositions like letting players disable rescue to be used on them if they don't consent or allowing people to block sound effects in chat if they don't want to.

    It's not about options or choices, it's about forcing those choices on other players, regardless of their consent.

    You want to have a risque glam because of whatever reason and it offends you that maybe other people don't consent to whatever thing you think is so cool or funny, and it offends you that they don't want to be a part of it or could disable it. After all what's the fun in a game if you can't force people to be a part of something against their will?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    You're either intentionally or unintentionally missing the part that it would be entirely optional and only affect those who use it. At this point I would say it's intentional. Anyone who wishes to glamour and anyone who wishes to see those glamours can still do so at their leisure. It doesn't remove or limit social interaction in any capacity. It's no different than people who soley use the Trust system to run content. Should they not get to play because they don't want to be social?

    If it's so unimportant then why are you getting upset at the idea of someone using it?

    Nice ego telling others what is or isn't their thing. If you didn't want attention then the idea of someone not wanting to see your glamour wouldn't be so distressing.
    I'd rather SE not waste time on trying to develop something that detracts from the social aspect of the game, just to placate the delicate sensibilities of a minority of players. There's much more important things that SE could be giving development attention to, like making the instant portraits better.
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    If we are going by the philosophy that the player should be able to modify other players how they see fit, then we should also have the ability the change the races, genders and voices of others as well. Why stop at glamour?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    I'd rather SE not waste time on trying to develop something that detracts from the social aspect of the game, just to placate the delicate sensibilities of a minority of players. There's much more important things that SE could be giving development attention to, like making the instant portraits better.
    Who are you to decide what they spend time on? Do you work for SE? Are you a project manager? The devs aren't obligated to take on every feature suggested on the forums and neither are you required to come in and trash the place because you think it takes away from what you want if people suggest something they want.
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  8. #3008
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    You may not be SE, but when you are against a client side feature that wouldn't affect you in any way then you are effectively trying to dictate what others see because they look at that feedback to decide whether or not to implement features.
    Is it wrong to dictate how your character is viewed and wanting them unadulterated? (*´∀`).。o○
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    I'd rather SE not waste time on trying to develop something that detracts from the social aspect of the game, just to placate the delicate sensibilities of a minority of players. There's much more important things that SE could be giving development attention to, like making the instant portraits better.
    Aside from the fact that, as has been said multiple times, it wouldn't detract from the social aspect at all. So what makes instant portraits so important? I don't care about those and never use them. Why should they waste their time on that for a minority of players? See how that logic goes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Is it wrong to dictate how your character is viewed and wanting them unadulterated? (*´∀`).。o○
    The more you talk like this the more it definitely set off alarm bells and seems like a sex thing.
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