It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Bobby66]

I guess Ill say it effects me in a different way...
Lets say this effects me, because the time the devs put into making this feature, takes away time or even further postpones something else.

-More hairstyles for Hrothgar & Viera
-Making more Headgear for Hrothgar & Viera
-"Fixing" more older past headgear to fit Hrothgar and Viera
-Improvements & fixes to Jobs and Encounter design
-Making more and improving Side Content
-More better Glams
-Possibly (its a pipedream) creating new Job Quests
-Improving Frontlines PvP
-Improving PvP in General
-Making more and better rewards for The Wolfs Den
-Making more and better rewards for The Gold Saucer
-Even Better Holiday Event Rewards and Storylines.
-Improving and Updating the CC for more Avatar Options
-More Voice Acting in Cutscenes

I mean, those are just a handful of other things that could be done, but time and resources get taken away because they instead put it into people who dont like looking at other peoples glamours that the devs put time into making possible..

To be fair couldn't one say that for any content that they do not personally engage in? So would it really be an argument at that point?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

To be fair couldn't one say that for any content that they do not personally engage in? So would it really be an argument at that point?

so then....does the same apply to the Glamour Toggle? is there no argument for it if people dont care for it / want it?
But also, I dont think this is a good counter argument personally.

[Krotoan]

so then....does the same apply to the Glamour Toggle? is there no argument for it if people dont care for it / want it?
But also, I dont think this is a good counter argument personally.

"they shouldn't spend time on it because I personally do not value it or what it achieves and think the effort would be better spent on THESE things" isn't a good argument.

That is always going to be a problem. People want things you don't care about and don't want things you care about. It's a given and a non-discussion.

Things will also always need fixing. This does not mean that other features or things shouldn't even be discussed. If you wait to eat until the whole world has been fed you will starve.



Also I see a couple responses saying things like "censor" and "anti-expression" and "punish".

This does not apply. Nobody is being made NOT to do anything. Everyone still has full control over what their character looks like on their screen and to willing participants in their groupings. Any glamour at all at any time as far as you can tell. You can look at everyone elses glamour with no problem. Nobody is hiding THEMSELVES from you either (though this probably should be a thing for blacklists).


That and the there are people who cannot decouple "I wish not to see this" from "I don't want you to be like this" in their heads. There is a huge and distinct difference between the two asks.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

"they shouldn't spend time on it because I personally do not value it or what it achieves and think the effort would be better spent on THESE things" isn't a good argument.

You're right, it wasn't even an argument to begin with.
It was a personal statement. Its how I feel about it.
The argument I did bring up though, answering a question: "how does it effect you?" I did make an argument on that; that the idea of this feature effects me in another way, that it takes away time from other things that would be better in the grander scheme and health of the game.

But not once did I suggest or even say that the topic couldn't be discussed for any reason. Matter of fact...we are already talking about it XD

[SannaR]

"they shouldn't spend time on it because I personally do not value it or what it achieves and think the effort would be better spent on THESE things" isn't a good argument.

That is always going to be a problem. People want things you don't care about and don't want things you care about. It's a given and a non-discussion.

Things will also always need fixing. This does not mean that other features or things shouldn't even be discussed. If you wait to eat until the whole world has been fed you will starve.



Also I see a couple responses saying things like "censor" and "anti-expression" and "punish".

This does not apply. Nobody is being made NOT to do anything. Everyone still has full control over what their character looks like on their screen and to willing participants in their groupings. Any glamour at all at any time as far as you can tell. You can look at everyone elses glamour with no problem. Nobody is hiding THEMSELVES from you either (though this probably should be a thing for blacklists).


That and the there are people who cannot decouple "I wish not to see this" from "I don't want you to be like this" in their heads. There is a huge and distinct difference between the two asks.

No one is going to know what they see on their own screen. Frankly I doubt many would care if it was an option. Yet it's when people like the recent troll who wanted to have a poll or w/e chose to post in here and there's been others just like them who say they want this option to be implemented because they want a safe space and come off like they'd take some form of glee from knowing they'd be seeing people in their mishmash of gear the idea starts to sour some people.

[Joven]

No one is going to know what they see on their own screen. Frankly I doubt many would care if it was an option. Yet it's when people like the recent troll who wanted to have a poll or w/e chose to post in here and there's been others just like them who say they want this option to be implemented because they want a safe space and come off like they'd take some form of glee from knowing they'd be seeing people in their mishmash of gear the idea starts to sour some people.

It's no different from those on here who take glee in dressing certain ways to annoy people.

[Krotoan]

it takes away time from other things that would be better in the grander scheme and health of the game.

Also an opinion. The performance increase possible by creating a reduction in characters on the screen or complexity of others glamours on the screen would be of great benefit to large amounts of people AND increase the potential user base. What is "healthier"? Opinion.

But not once did I suggest or even say that the topic couldn't be discussed for any reason. Matter of fact...we are already talking about it XD

Neither did I, but the (you say) opinion being leveled here is a common retort to even the discussion. I've been talking about this at length, possibly with you in this same thread.

Yet it's when people like the recent troll who wanted to have a poll or w/e chose to post in here and there's been others just like them who say they want this option to be implemented because they want a safe space and come off like they'd take some form of glee from knowing they'd be seeing people in their mishmash of gear the idea starts to sour some people.

I'd say we treat these "supporters" the same way we treat the opponents who say they'd specifically dress in whatever way possible to continue to be a "disruption". They are Non-contributory and to be dismissed. Antagonists who just like to antagonize.

I'm not sure if I said it in this thread or the other but I'll repeat that an interesting tactic I've seen in several forums to discredit or undermine support for an idea is to pretend to support it for incredibly horrendous reasons and defend those to the death.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

---Also an opinion. The performance increase possible by creating a reduction in characters on the screen or complexity of others glamours on the screen would be of great benefit to large amounts of people AND increase the potential user base. What is "healthier"? Opinion.

---Neither did I, but the (you say) opinion being leveled here is a common retort to even the discussion. I've been talking about this at length, possibly with you in this same thread.

---Reductions of characters on screen to improve performance. Ill co-sign this, because it IS a good idea, especially for people who dont have Beast Rigs, or for situations where this is to many people on screen that is lags the game or hides things like NPCs.
This wouldn't effect the size of the Userbase though. So thats a weird point XD

---So then whats the issue? Neither one of us said the discussion couldnt be had.
Or Are opinions bad on an open forum just because you dont like it? Or because I share a similar opinion to others on the discussion?
Im confused by this second point

[Krotoan]

This wouldn't effect the size of the Userbase though. So thats a weird point XD

You reduce the level of hardware necessary to access the game, more people can and will play. Broadening the potential user base increases it. This is part of why minecraft is such a phenomenon, you can play it on ANYTHING.

---So then whats the issue? Neither one of us said the discussion couldnt be had.
Or Are opinions bad on an open forum just because you dont like it? Or because I share a similar opinion to others on the discussion?
Im confused by this second point

I don't think there is an issue. I don't think I was making any comment on what you were discussing in this regard with anyone else. All I'm saying here is that your response is often considered a counterpoint to even the discussion of the topic, but if you're open to keep discussing then nevermind.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

---You reduce the level of hardware necessary to access the game, more people can and will play. Broadening the potential user base increases it. This is part of why minecraft is such a phenomenon, you can play it on ANYTHING.

---I don't think there is an issue. I don't think I was making any comment on what you were discussing in this regard with anyone else. All I'm saying here is that your response is often considered a counterpoint to even the discussion of the topic, but if you're open to keep discussing then nevermind.

---Of all the hurdlers Ive heard about this game....being able to run it wasnt one of them.

---So there is no issue then. Got it.
GG team!