It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[MaxCarnage]

I said earlier in the thread I am pro-mod. I honestly don't care what people do on thier own PCs in private, given I'm never going to have to see it or have anyone talk about it in official channels or in game. I think SOE's "don't ask don' tell" mod policy is perfectly fine as a compromise; they likely gain some players who enjoy modding.

I've never heard of people being so sensitive that a tank in a bikini forced a player to "confirm or leave" a game they otherwise wanted to play. This game is going on 10 years, longer if you count 1.0, and growing in popularity. I think you'd alienate far more people in the MMO genre then the extremely bizarre minority that "needs" this to play the game and isn't willing to mod quietly. It would be a terrible business decision in this genre and a game that prides character customization and fashion in a shared social setting as core features.

The conform argument is especially strange given they want everyone around them to confirm to their liking instead.

I'll also add that the one person in existence who has panic attacks over their glamors is just simply not a realistic benchmark to have a discussion around. I don't see the point of creating policy over such an extreme anomaly in player psychology.

Well, I'll start by saying even in this thread alone I have seen a large number of people opposed to this idea says things along the lines of "this is an MMO, if you can't deal with the social aspect of glamours, play a single player game" which is the same as "conform of leave", just worded differently. I believe you have also used "this is an MMO" as a reason why this feature shouldn't exist.

The conform argument is not a strange one as anyone who uses a feature such as this would only be effecting themselves. You would still be able to wear whatever you would like, and I would not see it. Other people could still see it, but if I had the toggle on, I would not. They're not the same thing. Using a toggle is not forcing anyone to do anything as it would be a client side feature. Saying people have to accept it or find a different game to play is not equivalent.

Also, in regards to the panic attack thing, again, I have seen a handful of people in this thread already mention that the mere idea of one nobody not seeing their glamour made them extremely uncomfrotable.

If you're okay with a client side mod, you should be okay with a client side feature that does virtually the same thing. You can't be for one and against the other.

[Mika_Zahard]

Remember when mods were client side only? Now I can't meet someone new anymore without being asked for Mare. A mod which lets others see what glamour mods you have installed.

I didnt know someone was holding a gun and telling you to install something.

[Joven]

I said earlier in the thread I am pro-mod. I honestly don't care what people do on thier own PCs in private, given I'm never going to have to see it or have anyone talk about it in official channels or in game. I think SOE's "don't ask don' tell" mod policy is perfectly fine as a compromise; they likely gain some players who enjoy modding.

I've never heard of people being so sensitive that a tank in a bikini forced a player to "confirm or leave" a game they otherwise wanted to play. This game is going on 10 years, longer if you count 1.0, and growing in popularity. I think you'd alienate far more people in the MMO genre then the extremely bizarre minority that "needs" this to play the game and isn't willing to mod quietly. It would be a terrible business decision in this genre and a game that prides character customization and fashion in a shared social setting as core features.

The conform argument is especially strange given they want everyone around them to confirm to their liking instead.

I'll also add that the one person in existence who has panic attacks over their glamors is just simply not a realistic benchmark to have a discussion around. I don't see the point of creating policy over such an extreme anomaly in player psychology.

So you're for a feature that can get someone permanently banned for doing something that doesn't affect you in any way, but are against a feature that wouldn't get a person permanently banned for doing something that doesn't affect you in any way? That's an incredibly weird take.

And speaking of anomalous player psychology: are we just going to overlook those who feel like they must be seen by everyone otherwise they can't enjoy the game?

point proven , thanks for playing

There was no point to prove.

[keichirou]

There was no point to prove.

if that helps you sleep at night , then go for it...and thanks again for keep playing.

[Kolaina]

Sooooo just going to ignore the issues between you and them...

But they have a slight point. It's not necessarily about differing views and opinions, as much as it sometimes genuinely feels like we all play a much different game.

What's the point in playing a game with other people when you reach the point where those people may not exist at all or those people have no agency over themselves on your screen?

A disable all glams option is perfectly fine because it's a generic blanket toggle. Mods on the other hand... well it's not quite as blanket or uniform in comparison. A self toggle for all glams around you is fair and unbiased. Mods are not so fair and unbiased. They're not inclusive and I think that's against the whole mindset of playing a MMO.

So you and I are in agreement.

[Joven]

MMOs have always been about seeing other players online as they decided to create and dress their characters. Stop trying to pretend it's normal in MMOs to control how characters not played by YOU should be forced to appear. The moment players lose control over their own characters is the day you see a lot of players quit that MMO. It's why no MMO does this and never will. And don't bring up GW2 again, it's by no means a glamor setting. Putting characters into "lowest quality character models" is about performance for computers that aren't supposed by FFXIV at all and never will be. I'm really tired of repeating myself when someone tries to lie and pretend GW2 has this option already.

Given I still believe an option like this will never exist, I have no idea why I keep coming back to this thread.

Except, for the septillionth time, it's not taking control away from anyone. It's funny how you're not addressing the first part of that quote you conveniently edited out. Also funny is how this game started growing in popularity long before glamouring was even an option. Almost like glamour isn't the end all, be all for MMOs like you're trying to make it out to be.

if that helps you sleep at night , then go for it...and thanks again for keep playing.

Ok, sure. Whatever you say.

[MaxCarnage]

Yes it is, and it's how it should be. You either want to choose to play the product offered (an MMO) with all the things that comes with as far as how that genre works, or you can leave. *shrug* Not seeing the issue here nor do I view this as a bad thing. I see in the last few pages some whackos even stooped to the level of asking for all other players to be removed entirely. In an MMO. Clearly some people have very poor understanding of the genre they are in. I don't think a SOCIAL genre should cater to the very off-genre demands of people with antisocial tendencies and personality disorders.

Yes well, you also like to block people on a forum where the whole point is to discuss and be social. So if you feel it's okay to block people then maybe you shouldn't be using the forums, by your own standard. If any person in game is on your black list, then you shouldn't be playing an MMO, as you're not accepting the "social genre". You clearly have little understanding of the genre of website or game you are using.

The "whackos" in this thread demanding to hide player models are people on your side of the arguement trying to have absurd "gotcha"s.

Also, if you want to talk about abstract demands, all this gender-unlocking is purely for western culture, as I have not seen a single person from my experience on JP servers use this new feature. That was a demand from the few and it was granted for them. It seems people weren't happy with the game they were given, so they asked for change and they got it.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Yes well, you also like to block people on a forum where the whole point is to discuss and be social. So if you feel it's okay to block people then maybe you shouldn't be using the forums, by your own standard. If any person in game is on your black list, then you shouldn't be playing an MMO, as you're not accepting the "social genre". You clearly have little understanding of the genre of website or game you are using.

The "whackos" in this thread demanding to hide player models are people on your side of the arguement trying to have absurd "gotcha"s.

Also, if you want to talk about abstract demands, all this gender-unlocking is purely for western culture, as I have not seen a single person from my experience on JP servers use this new feature. That was a demand from the few and it was granted for them. It seems people weren't happy with the game they were given, so they asked for change and they got it.

Terrible argument. I do communicate on these forums. Just with people I don't find irritating.

Not sure where the gender unlocking thing came from; I dont really care about that. I play Western MMOs like ESO where people cared about this, and eastern ones where they don't. Not my issue. That said, opening up fashion options encourages spending and isn't contrary to MMOs like the demand not to see people because your afraid of bikinis.

Except, for the septillionth time, it's not taking control away from anyone. It's funny how you're not addressing the first part of that quote you conveniently edited out. Also funny is how this game started growing in popularity long before glamouring was even an option. Almost like glamour isn't the end all, be all for MMOs like you're trying to make it out to be.

Your being blind to something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. My summary for the back and forth between us.

[Joven]

Your being blind to something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. My summary for the back and forth between us.

So you replying to someone else is suppsed to be an answer to me? Sounds dishonest.