It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Iscah]

It is not tortured at all. This is, in a nutshell, what this thread has been about. In my scenario, the apartment is shared by two people. One person decided that their need to have the other person see what they wanted them to see was paramount. That is the argument of those in this thread. You insist people have to see the outfit you've compiled, even though what they argue would pose no harm to you, and you would not even know about it.

No it is not my argument.

My argument, to insist on your metaphor, is that I want to watch my movie and you can either watch it or walk away and not watch it. You can see my character or you can go somewhere else and not see my character.

The metaphor runs out because you watching your separate movie is completely disconnected from my movie. There is no equivalent I can conceive of, except perhaps that the two people are trying to watch different movies in the same room with the sound overlapping and affecting the other person's experience.

[Ibkee]

No it is not my argument.

My argument, to insist on your metaphor, is that I want to watch my movie and you can either watch it or walk away and not watch it. You can see my character or you can go somewhere else and not see my character.

The metaphor runs out because you watching your separate movie is completely disconnected from my movie. There is no equivalent I can conceive of, except perhaps that the two people are trying to watch different movies in the same room with the sound overlapping and affecting the other person's experience.

Stepping away from the metaphors for a second, you know it's entirely possible for anyone to see your character as however they choose already, right?

So tell me, is this fact affecting your experience in any way, shape or form?

[ItMe]

It's true.
Thanks to the wonders of 3rd party software you could make everyone run around in jobgear already.

[Zabuza]

No it is not my argument.

My argument, to insist on your metaphor, is that I want to watch my movie and you can either watch it or walk away and not watch it. You can see my character or you can go somewhere else and not see my character.

The metaphor runs out because you watching your separate movie is completely disconnected from my movie. There is no equivalent I can conceive of, except perhaps that the two people are trying to watch different movies in the same room with the sound overlapping and affecting the other person's experience.

If I am running a dungeon roulette and get you in my party, where am I going to go in order to not see your character? Leave the instance? Would you also be cool if you were in the office and your co-worker was naked because you can just turn the other way right?

[Iscah]

Stepping away from the metaphors for a second, you know it's entirely possible for anyone to see your character as however they choose already, right?

So tell me, is this fact affecting your experience in any way, shape or form?

Yes. I don't like the thought of it at all. I try not to think it.

And as I said earlier, the fact that people have to deliberately break the rules of the game to do so is still a different precedent to an officially implemented invitation to do so.


Once again I am falling into the trap of posting here and having to say all the same things over again and it only makes me feel miserable.

[Theodric]

Yes. I don't like the thought of it at all. I try not to think it.

And as I said earlier, the fact that people have to deliberately break the rules of the game to do so is still a different precedent to an officially implemented invitation to do so.


Once again I am falling into the trap of posting here and having to say all the same things over again and it only makes me feel miserable.

Well, at the end of the day it's just a debate regarding an optional feature related to a video-game. It's a shame that it makes you feel 'miserable', though that would appear to be something to perhaps address and work on.

[Ibkee]

Yes. I don't like the thought of it at all. I try not to think it.

How is it affecting your experience?

[Joven]

Yes. I don't like the thought of it at all. I try not to think it.

And as I said earlier, the fact that people have to deliberately break the rules of the game to do so is still a different precedent to an officially implemented invitation to do so.


Once again I am falling into the trap of posting here and having to say all the same things over again and it only makes me feel miserable.

Have you questioned why those people feel the need to break the rules and use third party programs for glamours? Personally I know someone who only does it for their character to get bigger breasts and skimpier clothing (not to mention nudes), but others might do it for the same reason this thread was started to begin with. Nobody knows but them.

[Gula]

Stepping away from the metaphors for a second, you know it's entirely possible for anyone to see your character as however they choose already, right?

So tell me, is this fact affecting your experience in any way, shape or form?

Only when they shove it in my face as people who use mods are want to do because they want their catgirl's plastic tata's hanging out and then "OMG your character looks so wacky with this nude mod XDDD"

[Awha]

No, that's not my point. It's not "an argument you could make with any suggestion" because other suggestions are not about altering the degree of control a person has over their own character. Adding a new job or race or game mode does nothing at all to your character if you don't want to engage with it. Adding new costumes does not require you to wear them. Other people will, and that's their business.

You did say it would be a fundamental shift in the game's philosophy to change it after the fact. It may not be your intent but anything added could fall in that categorie. Also in the end why must one just tolerate what they may find uncomfortable but another side does not?

Guess in the end it does not seem right how one side can ssy sorry you either can tolerate what you msy find uncomfortable or leave so to speak. I get for many the video game represents themselves and for others they are just pixels.

So for me it is hard to understand since from my perspective I am not altering anything in the game itself only what i personally change and maybe also cause I may or may not use mods I have a bais towards this.

At to a degree I appreciate your honesty. You do feel your overall personal repsenation holds more weight then whst another may find uncomfortable. I can respect that. Overall for me I will never understand why people project themselves into their online character. Just seems to lead to weird postions of infringment over a video game.

Granted for me most people idk sre just random npcs, lol kind of like how i view people irl. So for me your position is something I will never understand cause it just seems like you are saying SE has had things this way, any change now would be unfair sorry but not sorry. Which I get to a degree since that is how I am when I vote kick people for difference of plsy style yet people call me toxic for that mindset. Yet with glam it is considered s'ok.

I know the situations are not the same, but for I tend to not care about the situation per se and more so the train if though applied to the situation. This is the same train of thought that many people have called me out on. So it feels weird to see it being considered okay now. Especially cause mods exist, snd for me just seems like a cop out that you say you do not like it but live with it because people have to break the rules to do it and it js not widely accepted. Yet if it is added by SE that makes it a different because it is official idk. Just seems like selective caring in my eyes.

With that being said I do wish the thread would move away from do nit want because, and more so what compromises could be made to make it more toleratable across the board. Since I doubt any side will change their mind so if we cannot change pur minds maybe we can come up with a désirable compromise.

Though for that quick question, if the character in question has the apparence of a random NPC does not share your name just the actions you input would that be toleratable? Just wondering.