It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Dan4077]

The point is that when you see something you disagree with as far a someone's glamour is concerned you don't care what their motivation behind the chosen attire is, you just don't want to see it.

I thought no one gives a lick! xD

[Joven]

And who are you to get to decide who cares and doesn't? And if no one gives a lick besides my friends and me then why do they want a feature that blocks out glamours they do not like. And posting a definition is not a sign of exasperation just because you say it is.
You literally just argued down the option you were defending. No one gives a lick so now you and everyone else don't need the option. I am SO glad no one but my friends and me care. Well that is perfect then everyone is happy.

So now you're the one making assumptions about someone's meaning? Your whole argument is that by hiding your glamour in my FoV I'm erasing your character's identity, yes? You're conflating identity with appearance. Your character's identity means nothing to other players unless you specifically go out of your way to bring it up and explain it, or someone approaches you about it. However, your appearance is readily noticeable and easy to ascertain whether or not the observer likes or dislikes it. That's why I put "identity" in quotation marks, your appearance is not your identity, it's a form of expression sure, but it doesn't define who you are or in this case who your character is.

[Ammokkx]

I, personally, am fond of slightly more practical or covered up armor. I think bikini armor is gaudy and just doesn't look very good or appealing.

I still don't want the option to remove other people's glamours.

Glamouring, in the first place, is a feature to make yourself look to both you and other players in a manner of your choosing. Giving another player the option to hide that customization, goes against the very premise of glamouring.

[Dan4077]

So now you're the one making assumptions about someone's meaning? Your whole argument is that by hiding your glamour in my FoV I'm erasing your character's identity, yes? You're conflating identity with appearance. Your character's identity means nothing to other players unless you specifically go out of your way to bring it up and explain it, or someone approaches you about it. However, your appearance is readily noticeable and easy to ascertain whether or not the observer likes or dislikes it. That's why I put "identity" in quotation marks, your appearance is not your identity, it's a form of expression sure, but it doesn't define who you are or in this case who your character is.

Um no, this is all what you said. If you failed to explain it properly then I refer you to the edit button. You are the only one who made yourself look ignorant there. Another person called you out too. I didn't assume nothing lmao. This is getting to the point everything you type is more like a comedy skit. You go around here and claim you know what everyone cares about in game. Like damn you must be like......god or something ahahaha. Not everyone cares about my glamour but i have people come up and compliment me when I am just walking around doing my turn ins and such. So next time don't try to act like you speak on everyone behalf and you won't look like such a fool and get called out. XD

[MsQi]

It's ok to tank in a bikini if it's a metal bikini.

[Enla]

I'm pretty sure we already had this thread a few weeks ago. And it's still the same stupid argument:


You haven't played many FF-games, have you? Because this is proper ff-fighting-armor:



Also, there is Serah Farron in FF XIII, fighting in a school girl uniform. And don't get me started on her alternate beach-outfit.

I think in the newer FFs the only guy wearing real plate armor was Steiner in FF9

And he was pretty much one of the biggest comical relief characters in that game along with his Knights of Pluto. The rest of the Alexandrian military - the actual competent ones - wore leotards.



Even in the older games though odd armor choices were the norm due to Yoshitaka Amano's art style. The man has three loves - belts, capes, and impractical pieces of armor. And even if a character was the odd man out and was given a proper piece of armor in the old games it was often highly impractical, with I think FF4's designs being one of the lone exceptions? (Except the girls had leotards for daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaays in that too.)

Edit: Oh, Cyan too from FF6. I'd say out of all the older FF's his design is the most classically 'tank' looking without too many extras.

[Iscah]

I think the critical point I want to make against people saying "others shouldn't be forced to look at your glamour" is that there's a difference between forcing that and demanding to be the centre of attention, versus just not wanting your appearance to be altered by someone else.

As I wrote in more detail below, I would rather have my character not seen at all, than seen wearing something I don't want them to wear.

Your character is unaffected in any way that should matter to you. What some stranger sees on their screen, likely thousands of miles away from you, shouldn't be your concern or your business.

Did you miss the parts where this is entirely an optional feature that only the person using could see? It's not like OP is asking Sqeenix to remove glamours entirely, just a feature that lets someone, on their own display, turn them off. How hard is that to understand?

At the core of this argument there's a question of how a person thinks about player-characters in this game. The way I think about it, every one of those characters is a "real person", or directly representing one, in a communal world.

Your character does not stop representing "you" when they appear on my screen. My character does not stop representing "me" when I appear on your screen. I'm not in "your game", we're in a shared game.

An analogy in the real world would be photographs. An image of a person in a photo is still thought of as "that person", and the image is not detached from the person's identity even if what happens to the image does not affect the real person in any way.

Right now it is technically possible for someone to take that photograph and then edit it so the person appears to be wearing something they wouldn't want to wear. They may never know it happened, but that doesn't mean they would (or should) be okay with the thought of someone doing it to them.

Now imagine if Facebook announced a new feature that would automatically alter what people appear to be wearing in photos when they display on your screen. It's only affecting you! Nobody needs to know that their image was changed! ....yeah, I can't see that going down well.

Your character in generic job appropriate gear is still your character as much as your character in fuzzy 64 bit low textures. How do you feel about people silencing bard performances? People's carefully crafted songs, silenced. Why? Cause some people find it obnoxious.

I would quite seriously be happier for people to turn my character entirely invisible than to have them displayed in an outfit that I don't want them seen in.

A fuzzy 64-bit version of the outfit I picked is still the outfit I picked, just in a different quality of game. It is still conveying my choice and not overriding it.

It's not about "everyone must see me!" - it's "everyone must not see my character in the gear that I don't want them seen in".

And I definitely count a lot of "generic job-appropriate gear", ie. relic gear, as things I don't want to be seen in. Not because I don't want to be job-appropriate, but because a lot of the relic gear is more revealing than I want it to be, or just looks awkward on my character.

I'm not going to pretend I know what it's like on your Data Centre, but on mine it's very rare for people to glam with the sole purpose of making other people feel bad. I very rarely see glams that could be considered seriously lore breaking, never mind obviously intending to cause offence. When I do see them it's usually in Limsa. In instances? Not often. Most people are very well dressed!

This has been my experience as well. Last time we had this argument, I went and did a "poll" of glamours by sitting in Limsa (I think it was Atomos server) and examined all the players one-by-one. From memory, out of something like 70 players about a third were in unique job-themed glamours, another third in not-job-themed glamours, the rest were in things like leveling gear or crafting. Only three were in novelty glamours: one Vanu Vanu and two in bright metallics IIRC, and nothing more revealing than the Uraeus coat and 2B outfit. (Which isn't to say I never see anyone in skimpier things, but they're sufficiently few and far between that you're not guaranteed to find them even if you're looking.)

So if I, as a man IRL, decide to wear a thong with my junk nearly hanging out, and forcing you to look at it, it's all good right? That's just my self-expression. In a dungeon or similar fights, you are basically forced to look upon the person in the obnoxious clothing.

You've gone into this over several posts, and I disagree about the degree to which you are "forced to look at" people you are playing with in a dungeon.

Generally speaking, I'll admit that I'm very prudish, and I certainly don't want to be forced to look at someone (of either gender) in skimpy clothing. BUT if someone in my party is wearing it, as much as I'd prefer that they hadn't... I just don't look. Obviously they're on the screen, but I'm not at all focused on them - I'm looking at the enemies, HP bars, gauges and skill icons. My camera is zoomed out so I can see the larger scale of what is happening. I'm not processing much about the other players beyond where they're standing.

In short, it's not that hard to tune out to it if you're not actively looking at them and thinking about how much you hate seeing them.

It's simple. If I'm engrossed in the story, and am in the Hades fight for example, seeing someone in a frog suit jars me right out of that immersion.

To be fair, it is more jarring in cutscenes and I wish there was a simple solution that doesn't involve interfering with people's glamour.

The only solution I would personally be happy with is swapping out the entire character for a generic one, at which point it is no longer "my character forced to wear a different outfit" but playing a different character created by someone else, wearing what that character was designed to wear. But from the way some people complain about our occasional roleplaying interludes, I assume not everyone would be happy with that approach.

[Alleo]

I would be fine with such an option. First its only an option so if you dont want to use it you dont have to and the others will never know it anyway. Its like people using mods to make their and other characters appear different. I honestly dont care about it because I still see my character how I dressed them, so I am not sure about the argument that you have taken your time to glamour your character a certain way so everyone needs to see them. Maybe I have a hard time understanding it because I dont glamour my characters for others but for me. I dont care what others think about it.

I am just happy that I can do most of the stuff with trusts now. Makes cutscenes much better.

[Brightmore]

I am just happy that I can do most of the stuff with trusts now. Makes cutscenes much better.

Was going to say that right now.
People nowadays is just heading back to good ol'days of single play.
Why talk, interact in a MMO?
If I notice the glam of someone during a dungeon is while the gate is blocking the fun.
Other than that, for MQS I do it first time with trusts so I can savor the scenario.

[File2ish]

I wouldn't mind having the option.

I'm not the type to have glamour be "immersion breaking", but I can see why it irks people to have bikini tanks with snowmen and reindeer DPS alongside healers in replica sky pirate tank gear. Even I'm surprised at what people glam when I run MSQ roulette sometimes. Sure, those who toggle the option wouldn't see my glamour, but I'm not really affected by that since I can still look how I want. I don't really care if others like my glam or not.

It would fix some of the woes at least, with glams toggled off they'd still have to look at mismatched gear which is potentially undyed. I get how seeing a tank in actual armor, despite potentially mismatched color palettes, would still be preferable to some than seeing someone tank in only a subligar.