It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Bright-Flower]

I have a character in metal bikini. It's the coliseum gear. It's not her glamour, it is her actual gear because it is best gear for her at her level. She looks like the job she is playing based on that actual gear SE put in. But I'm not sure everyone is happy to see it based on some of the comments in this thread.

Then you have warg tails from the 5.1 dungeon, the shisui sets that are super revealing, the sky rat sets...plus as other people are pointing out, dresses for healers/casters etc that people often glam over.

On the technical side of things, we can really only guess at how hard these solutions would be since none of us have access to the code. Maybe it'd be super easy to add a glamour blacklist. Maybe the time and effort it would take isn't feasible for the game's budget and resources right now. Remember that time spent on this is time not spent on other features, fixes or changes. Maybe they could do it without affecting performance, maybe it would affect performance in high pop areas evne if you don't turn it on since the game still has to check when rendering characters.

We can only really guess either way without input from the dev team on the technical side of whether this is feasible.

[Arillyn]

Then you have warg tails from the 5.1 dungeon, the shisui sets that are super revealing, the sky rat sets...plus as other people are pointing out, dresses for healers/casters etc that people often glam over.

On the technical side of things, we can really only guess at how hard these solutions would be since none of us have access to the code. Maybe it'd be super easy to add a glamour blacklist. Maybe the time and effort it would take isn't feasible for the game's budget and resources right now. Remember that time spent on this is time not spent on other features, fixes or changes. Maybe they could do it without affecting performance, maybe it would affect performance in high pop areas evne if you don't turn it on since the game still has to check when rendering characters.

We can only really guess either way without input from the dev team on the technical side of whether this is feasible.

No it's the coliseum gear. She's just a level too low for her AF (this is an alt I am talking about not my main, sorry for any confusion on that). I was just using it as an example of people complaining about people playing in bikinis in dungeons as immersion breaking when my character is literally in a metal bikini. Not as a glamour, but her actual gear.

As for technical issues, yea I have no idea what the devs can or can't do. If they were to implement this I wouldn't use it. I also would rather devs spent their time on actual content and not something like this, but that's just me.

[Arillyn]

Give people the ability to blacklist specific sets and the issue is resolved. There's many ways in which a workaround could be implemented. Perhaps it could be tied to the block function?

So if people are wearing actual gear for their role (not a glamour - real battle gear) that is a bikini or a dress then block that set from being seen? If I am understanding this correctly I would have to say a hard no. The devs spend a lot of time creating the gear they put in the game (both gear and glamour) and if people are just going to block whole sets so they don't have to see it? I'm sorry but I have to say at that point this game may not be for you (general you). I HATE that phrase. I really do, but seriously if regular gear is going to offend someone's sensibilities then I don't know why that person would even be playing this game.

[Sebazy]

Give people the ability to blacklist specific sets and the issue is resolved. There's many ways in which a workaround could be implemented. Perhaps it could be tied to the block function?

Blacklisting sets would be an odd one as there's a ton of sets that could be considered revealing in one way or another. That strikes me as a UX nightmare.

One aspect of this I would actually support though would be /blacklist causing the blacklisted individual to appear as either a random or generic character and not their own appearance. More so because that would also be a useful anti harassment tool in those specific circumstances, but it'd also have value for said person who can't tolerate a particular individuals glamour I guess.

[Bright-Flower]

No it's the coliseum gear. She's just a level too low for her AF (this is an alt I am talking about not my main, sorry for any confusion on that). I was just using it as an example of people complaining about people playing in bikinis in dungeons as immersion breaking when my character is literally in a metal bikini. Not as a glamour, but her actual gear.

As for technical issues, yea I have no idea what the devs can or can't do. If they were to implement this I wouldn't use it. I also would rather devs spent their time on actual content and not something like this, but that's just me.

Oh I know you had the colleseum gear I was just listing other pieces of actual battle gear that have goofy or revealing designs in addition to that set form the Darkhold. Revealing outfits aren't all just level 1 glam items and I was just listing some more examples.

[Arillyn]

Oh I know you had the colleseum gear I was just listing other pieces of actual battle gear that have goofy or revealing designs in addition to that set form the Darkhold. Revealing outfits aren't all just level 1 glam items and I was just listing some more examples.

Ah gotcha! Yes there are so many regular gear sets that like that. You are right, it's not all level 1 glamour pieces.

[Alacran]

Reading through many (not all) of theses comments, i can't help but think... We are living in a damn decedent time if you have so little stress in your life that another persons chosen glamour/ representation of their in game character is your biggest/ most pressing issue... Truly the importance of this subject and it's subsequent responses for it's inclusion are truly inspiring.

[Theodric]

That's a bit of a deceptive argument, no?

Most people who are all for the idea have simply framed it as something that would be neat to have in the name of giving players access to more options. As someone who has a track record of advocating for more options in general - especially in regards to better looking glamour/customisation for male characters - I simply wish for 'more options' to actually mean 'more options'.

The only people who have lacked civility within this thread have been those who seek to resort to subtle and not so subtle personal attacks due to being unable to handle the idea that some players may not care to look at their character's chosen glamour. Or worse yet, they falsely seek to attribute support of this thread as equal to 'bigotry'.

I would've thought such things would be of much greater concern to those who frame themselves as 'concerned' about the contents of the thread itself.

[Dan4077]

I do understand that for many that is the alure of mmos, but just like those other features (blacklisting, performance muting, effects, language filters) that are meant to give players more control over their own personal gameplay experience at the expense of others personal expression. In the end, outside of three situtions I can think of, you catch them streaming with your character on screen, you find a screen shot that happens to have your character, or they happen to mention they had said feature enabled.

I am into moding, so I have a bias but way I see it personally if I mod the game to turn characters on my screen into a certain NPC that change should not detract from anothers enjoyment, since in the end I find it silly to allow something like that detract from ones enjoyment since that would mean that the person in question would have to make the assumption that a person is using mods or a feature to alter the way their character looks and as such it does not matter what their character looks like. Seems like a massive limit one would place on themselvs simply based off an asumption.

In the end I have not messed around much with other character mods, but I do know of people that have done some wonky stuff client side. Granted I know this will never happen, but I enjoy talking about the topic, and if I had any control over it I would make it all or nothing and if it was enabled I would put everyone beside the pimary player char in a basic black robe or something. All-in-all I am always one for more options that provide players with more agency that allows them to enhance their own personal expereince by altering social elements they may find bothersome for whatever reason, within reason of course. Now this is not to say that I think certain glam is inherent bad or anything like that, I am frog suit player myself. I just know for personal expereince that anything can be used as a means to harass or bother another person, since I often mess around with my friends bothering others doing weird shit.

I know my stance can lead to some funky reductios.

What you say is true to a point. However blacklisting is to stop harassment, muting performances is because someone can huge troll with the instruments but just constantly spamming annoying tunes, and of course the language filter is a cause some people find cursing offensive. But glamour does not to any of those things, they just show an image of what a person wants their character to look like. If you in turn get in a weird then go and bother players its the persons doing not cause of the glamour they are in. You cannot harass people with your glamour alone. A gun doesn't shoot itself you know this. If someone is just standing around in a frog suit minding his own business, then he is not harassing anything and if someone feels harassed by them just being in that outfit, then they need professional help.

[Awha]

What you say is true to a point. However blacklisting is to stop harassment, muting performances is because someone can huge troll with the instruments but just constantly spamming annoying tunes, and of course the language filter is a cause some people find cursing offensive. But glamour does not to any of those things, they just show an image of what a person wants their character to look like. If you in turn get in a weird then go and bother players its the persons doing not cause of the glamour they are in. You cannot harass people with your glamour alone. A gun doesn't shoot itself you know this. If someone is just standing around in a frog suit minding his own business, then he is not harassing anything and if someone feels harassed by them just being in that outfit, then they need professional help.

Way I see it in the end it is not my place to say what a person finds bothersome, or as greifng since my standard differs greatly from others. If a person can have a better overall game experience due the added option of not being able to see certain glam, of course such options have to fall within reason which is the hard aspect. For example I got in my early WoW days someone told me to kill myself due to my poor play, I am sure another person may view that as harrassment, but I was thankful and viewed it as valuable criticism which gave me the kick in the ass I needed to look at guides to improve.

I get where you are coming from, but just like gun laws there is not one size fits all approach and people have largely differing views as to handle it because people have differing views as to what role the tool itself plays in situation. I am a fan of more options that enhance personal agency, People come from various walks of life, and as such I am not sure what may or may not trigger them so if their can be options that put more control in their hands to limit their triggers without them having to ask me to stop doing something then I am all for it. Which I do feel a feature like this falls under that line of thing,

I guess where we differ is I view each of those features as tools that provide players a means to avoid soical aspects that may find bothersome for whatever reason. Now I understand the contradiction here since I am saying not my place to to say what another person finds annoying, but as a whole I do not think a person should be annoyed by someone using dropping F bombs, words are just words in my eyes. While I do not agree with people that use the features I do not have to agree with them since at the core I can get behind the idea of someone taking steps to take control over the things that bother them instead of trying to police another person in game. I rather someone switch my glam off instead of asking me to change my glam for a cutscene -- which has happened to me before-- I laighed at them, but it could have been avoided if they could hide certain glam. I do overall think it would be a net postive in terms of overall enjoyment of the game for players, and I do think it worth limiting the enjoyment of those who enjoy knowing the vast majorty of players will see their outfit because the moding community is not that wide spread in this game.

I would love for people to see my body hair on my roe outside of streaming or screen shots but alas I cannot do that, but I still enjoy my body hair.