It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Lambdafish]

Given that the feature already existed within the game itself at one point in time, I'd wager it's a pretty simple toggle to implement once more. It was even used to make the player character wear a specific set of armour during a tournament in Ishgard's name a while back, too.

Blue mage quest too, I believe.

[Allegor]

I recall in MSQ when we have to rescue Minfilia we're dressed as soldiers.

[SturmChurro]

I'm just surprised at how quickly the thread died down.

At any rate, I'm still all for the proposed idea - more options is a good thing!

This thread should have died 156 pages ago.

[Krotoan]

It would take WAY too much processing power to strip people of their glam put them in the armor they have equipped, especially for PS4s that can barely run in limsa for fn sakes.

... I'm curious.. Why do you think so? How do you think your PS4 knows what to draw on people or where to put them on your screen?

[Dan4077]

Given that the feature already existed within the game itself at one point in time, I'd wager it's a pretty simple toggle to implement once more. It was even used to make the player character wear a specific set of armour during a tournament in Ishgard's name a while back, too.

Um, no it did not ever....... definitely NOT in 2.0. It is not a toggle on and off thing. All they did in the ishgard match against the other grand company was change your outfit. That has NOTHING to do with the type of option to toggle peoples stuff on and off. They would have to create it, to see what gear someone is wearing, remove their glam and make it to where you see, 1 there true amour OR 2 a default look that everyone will look like. And number 2 is the most realistic but at that point the immersion argument is thrown at the window. cause then everyone will be literally wearing the same thing.

So you're proposing that they just implement a system that just glamours everyone to look the same that is not immersion breaking at all /sarcasm. The only game i ever seen such a feature actually implemented was Perfect World National and it was only for FPS reasons. Everyone looked like the pre made characters at character creation.

[Dan4077]

... I'm curious.. Why do you think so? How do you think your PS4 knows what to draw on people or where to put them on your screen?

It is not that I think so, it is that I KNOW so. The one person was saying that they would like to add a person to a sort of blacklist and that would strip the glamour off to default gear. That would be more for the system to load up and remember. So depending on how much a person used it think of what that does.

Now the original posters idea COULD be worked with. There is a way to just make everyone into a default look and it would actually save you load time, fps so on. But that right there would completely wash their "my immersion" argument down the drain. Cause PWI did was when you toggled it everyone in game would look like the default starter of each race before they started customizing it. So idk about them but that sounds a lot more immersion breaking then seeing the occasional weird outfit.

[Awha]

It is not that I think so, it is that I KNOW so. The one person was saying that they would like to add a person to a sort of blacklist and that would strip the glamour off to default gear. That would be more for the system to load up and remember. So depending on how much a person used it think of what that does.

Now the original posters idea COULD be worked with. There is a way to just make everyone into a default look and it would actually save you load time, fps so on. But that right there would completely wash their "my immersion" argument down the drain. Cause PWI did was when you toggled it everyone in game would look like the default starter of each race before they started customizing it. So idk about them but that sounds a lot more immersion breaking then seeing the occasional weird outfit.

Thing about the immersion argument is that we cannot say beyond what they have told us would or would not view as immersion breaking. Being as that was their idea it would be unfair in my opinion to make the claim it would it ruin their immersion since maybe in their mind it would not be much of an issue.

Personally I think the best way to approach this is in the same way we view blacklisting, lanague filters, performance muting etc . . . as a means of enhancing the personal enjoyment for others if they so desire to enable such features. If one puts the personal issues aside and look at it from that scope the idea is not so radical, like you mentioned another game did it to ehance performance, not 100% certain how it worked but that does seem like a feature that could enhance ones personal enjoyment of a game.

[Krotoan]

It is not that I think so, it is that I KNOW so. The one person was saying that they would like to add a person to a sort of blacklist and that would strip the glamour off to default gear. That would be more for the system to load up and remember. So depending on how much a person used it think of what that does.

As they've never actually posted how the system works I'm having trouble believing that you KNOW so. I can base my theories on the way that I know OTHER games work though. So likely your system gets some very small streams of data to tell it what to show: flags for where the character is and what they're doing that update pretty constantly and then data for what to show them wearing which really only need to be sent occasionally. The AMOUNT of data being sent for appearances would never really change, no matter the system. It would either be sending flags for whatever glamour they have or if the client had the flags for "default" it would use whatever default there was set OR if there was a glamour stripping option it would just use the actual gear data. The blacklist would also likely be client side as there would be no need for the server to care, instead of reading the glamour data it would simply use the appearance data for the gear they were actually wearing, which is sent anyway. Not a particularly large change in back and forth and not particularly stressful on the system since it'd be loading the same amount of appearance data. It's not like it's loading the glamour, then unloading, then loading the base gear.

Now the original posters idea COULD be worked with. There is a way to just make everyone into a default look and it would actually save you load time, fps so on. But that right there would completely wash their "my immersion" argument down the drain. Cause PWI did was when you toggled it everyone in game would look like the default starter of each race before they started customizing it. So idk about them but that sounds a lot more immersion breaking then seeing the occasional weird outfit.

I've already tackled the "immersion" arguments on both sides and would rather not go into this again.

[lolicon09]

If other people's glam makes you "suffer", then there are more important things you should be worried about yourself

[Dan4077]

Thing about the immersion argument is that we cannot say beyond what they have told us would or would not view as immersion breaking. Being as that was their idea it would be unfair in my opinion to make the claim it would it ruin their immersion since maybe in their mind it would not be much of an issue.

Personally I think the best way to approach this is in the same way we view blacklisting, lanague filters, performance muting etc . . . as a means of enhancing the personal enjoyment for others if they so desire to enable such features. If one puts the personal issues aside and look at it from that scope the idea is not so radical, like you mentioned another game did it to ehance performance, not 100% certain how it worked but that does seem like a feature that could enhance ones personal enjoyment of a game.

Understandable, how it worked though was say you were creating a new character. Like a human it always gives you a default look. That game would change all the characters to look like that with the same clothes. Also true they might not find it lure breaking. However, for me and apparently others being seen in there glamours is just as important to them as wearing it. People like to look cool and nice not to mention role play, and their characters look is a deep part of that. Its part of the allure of an MMORPG for many.

Some care some don't.