Prepulling mobs as healer

[MistakeNot]

Good point. I guess this post is a semi-rant. I just don't get this etiquette players seem to praise in this game for what is right or wrong when you are obviously maxing effeciency. Especially as healer, cause it's your job in the end to deal with irregularities.

Lots of people have no interest in maxing efficiency. When I run a dungeon, what I want to max is ease of the run. Which means small pulls whenever possible, and killing each group before moving on to the next. If this means that nobody is ever in any real danger and healers have to do almost no healing, then this is a GOOD thing.
If it means the run takes a minute or two longer than it could have, then that is fine. Nobody should be in that much of a hurry anyway in a game.

If you want to pull extra, then either clear it with the tank beforehand, or be prepared to tank them yourself.
Pulling extra mobs and assuming the tank will pick them up, that is just rude.

[MistakeNot]

That's fine if they're new. Why would it matter if I prepull and bring mobs to the tank? They don't have to adjust their gameplay in any way. I'm not judging them, just don't get it when they end up getting upset.

More mobs to keep track of. More AOEs to dodge. Big crowd of mobs preventing you from seeing what exactly is happening. Oh, yes, it matters.

[Mixt]

Several times when the healer has run ahead and pulled extra it has resulted in a wipe.

Then the healer proceeded to blame me when HE was the one who grabbed extra mobs and was unable to keep up with the resulting incoming damage.

No, i do not in fact have infinite cooldowns, yes i did use the cooldowns i do have, telling me to "Use your cooldowns" when i was already doing just that is silly, stop it.
"But it's impossible to wipe when the tank uses cooldowns!" Oh for the love of-*Has my skull caved in by Elite Trash Mobs spamming mini-tankbusters*

See also, last pull in The Burn, the pull right before the second boss in The Twinning, The entire section between the first and second boss of Ala Mhigo, and a few other examples, especially so when those dungeons were new and massive overgearing was not yet a thing. And the healer decides "IMMA PULL EVERYTHING!"
Even worse when the DPS are also single-targeting everything, because throw rocket fuel on the fire why don't you?

[SamRF]

Lots of people have no interest in maxing efficiency. When I run a dungeon, what I want to max is ease of the run. Which means small pulls whenever possible, and killing each group before moving on to the next. If this means that nobody is ever in any real danger and healers have to do almost no healing, then this is a GOOD thing.
If it means the run takes a minute or two longer than it could have, then that is fine. Nobody should be in that much of a hurry anyway in a game.

If you want to pull extra, then either clear it with the tank beforehand, or be prepared to tank them yourself.
Pulling extra mobs and assuming the tank will pick them up, that is just rude.

As healer I'm prepared to take 100% responsibility for what happens. I'm talking about cases where tank is barely taking damage. I'm also totally prepared to take the damage, otherwise I wouldn't risk it. There's no reason to get upset imo, I still don't see it. Especially because you don't have to deal with the consequences if things go bad, the healer can handle it. You see where I'm coming from? My only complaint is the fact that people get upset in chat. If you don't want to worry and want to stay relaxed or something by keeping pulls small, then go ahead and play that way as if the prepulled mobs don't exist, it wouldn't matter.

[SamRF]

Several times when the healer has run ahead and pulled extra it has resulted in a wipe.

Then the healer proceeded to blame me when HE was the one who grabbed extra mobs and was unable to keep up with the resulting incoming damage.

No, i do not in fact have infinite cooldowns, yes i did use the cooldowns i do have, telling me to "Use your cooldowns" when i was already doing just that is silly, stop it.
"But it's impossible to wipe when the tank uses cooldowns!" Oh for the love of-*Has my skull caved in by Elite Trash Mobs spamming mini-tankbusters*

See also, last pull in The Burn, the pull right before the second boss in The Twinning, The entire section between the first and second boss of Ala Mhigo, and a few other examples, especially so when those dungeons were new and massive overgearing was not yet a thing. And the healer decides "IMMA PULL EVERYTHING!"
Even worse when the DPS are also single-targeting everything, because throw rocket fuel on the fire why don't you?

Definitely agree healer shouldn't pull in those cases, but what I'm talking about is obviously a different situation (no wipe risk).

[Angus-Beef]

IF a healer does that to a tank who isn;t comfortable I'm reporting them. Play with people who want fast pulls, or deal with slow dungeons runs in DF.

[SturmChurro]

Definitely agree healer shouldn't pull in those cases, but what I'm talking about is obviously a different situation (no wipe risk).

Yeah, go ahead and prepull in those cases. I have kind of lost my patience with some tanks, and I tank dungeons myself, so I usually know what a tank can or can't handle. Sometimes it actually works out, like if you know how to pull the first room in Aurum vale and the tank wants to wipe the group, etc. Besides if they kick you, it's usually them who are going to have to wait that 10 minutes, and yes it can take 10 minutes or longer to find a replacement healer. I have joined in-progress groups that were 11+ minutes at the spawn quite a few times.

[Bright-Flower]

I would at least attempt talking to the tank first. Tell the tank you're good with them pulling more, that you can keep them up easy. If they still refuse to pull more, and the dps ALSO want to do bigger pulls, and you can keep everyone up then I guess go for it. (If the dps also prefer smaller pulls and you're outvoted then I guess just deal with it.)

It's kinda rude however to just start pulling for the tank with no attempt to communicate first.

[Yrahv]

It’s kinda rude however to just start pulling for the tank with no attempt to communicate first.

This. Always ask; never assume. It doesn’t matter if you feel that there will be no repercussions to pulling more than the tank. You may feel that you are only doing it maximizing efficiency, but when you take it upon yourself to do more than what your group consents to, then your actions come across as overbearing, overzealous, and rude

[SamRF]

IF a healer does that to a tank who isn;t comfortable I'm reporting them. Play with people who want fast pulls, or deal with slow dungeons runs in DF.

After reading my post and understanding the situation I'm talking about, what's your reasoning for reporting them? I especially don't get it when dps gets upset while tank doesn't complain.