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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    I don't think so considering how tank anxiety is very common. With a pug you can't really say for sure if someone is a very experienced or confident tank, even if they're playing as best as anyone possibly could on a single pack.
    So I recently started leveling gunbreaker which starts on lvl 60, and I think what I did as prep before jumping into first dungeon is a good example of why and how my principles and mentality differs, and why I don't seem to understand your and other's position.

    What I did was I practiced both my single target and aoe rotation on open world mobs and dummies until I was comfortable with them, out of respect for DF group. I'm not willing to slow down the whole group just for "learning" the job, because that seems selfish to me.

    When I take a break from the game and come back or play a job I haven't played in a while, I always practice solo to get back used to given job so I can perform well enough before I jump into DF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    So I recently started leveling gunbreaker which starts on lvl 60, and I think what I did as prep before jumping into first dungeon is a good example of why and how my principles and mentality differs, and why I don't seem to understand your and other's position.

    What I did was I practiced both my single target and aoe rotation on open world mobs and dummies until I was comfortable with them, out of respect for DF group. I'm not willing to slow down the whole group just for "learning" the job, because that seems selfish to me.

    When I take a break from the game and come back or play a job I haven't played in a while, I always practice solo to get back used to given job so I can perform well enough before I jump into DF.
    Practising your rotation on dummies is one thing. Going into a dungeon is very much another. Perhaps you know the dungeon well, but there are still three variables you can't plan for - the other three people in your PUG. if one of them is going to make things difficult (as you clearly like to do) that creates stress and unpleasantness and confrontation. You may thrive on that. Lots of people don't. Hence my earlier comment about no longer using DF. I don't use it ENTIRELY because of people like you. I run with my Trusts who are all lovely or with my friends (also lovely)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elladie View Post
    Practising your rotation on dummies is one thing. Going into a dungeon is very much another. Perhaps you know the dungeon well, but there are still three variables you can't plan for - the other three people in your PUG. if one of them is going to make things difficult (as you clearly like to do) that creates stress and unpleasantness and confrontation. You may thrive on that. Lots of people don't. Hence my earlier comment about no longer using DF. I don't use it ENTIRELY because of people like you. I run with my Trusts who are all lovely or with my friends (also lovely)
    I don't think difficulty really increases in the situation I'm talking about in my original post (there's no wipe risk). nothing has to change rotation wise. You don't even have to use defense cooldowns because damage is so neglible. I see what you mean with it being seen as a confrontation that would create stress, the whole point of my post was then to indicate that there's no reason to see it as such in a situation where both tank and healer is redundant. Perhaps it's been a while since you've played an instance like lower ilvl lvl 50/60/70 dungeon at sync so it might be hard to imagine.

    I've already admitted to being at fault for not abiding by the community's standards and I will be playing less healer as a result of that (which is totally fine). Alternatively I'll go into dungeons full prepared to get kicked, or I'll just hold back and try to enjoy the art and music when spamming that 1 dps button, if it's a pretty dungeon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    I don't think difficulty really increases in the situation I'm talking about in my original post (there's no wipe risk). nothing has to change rotation wise. You don't even have to use defense cooldowns because damage is so neglible.
    You may think that yet I had still enough runs with randoms where the tank nearly died to single pulls (horrible gear) or where the healer seemed to be confident in handling more yet when big pulls where done we wiped...dont assume the best when you go with randoms. It could simply be that the tank is new, panics when he sees you pulling more and somehow creates a mess. Even without a wipe that is more stress than necessary. All of that for a handful of minutes..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    So I recently started leveling gunbreaker which starts on lvl 60, and I think what I did as prep before jumping into first dungeon is a good example of why and how my principles and mentality differs, and why I don't seem to understand your and other's position.

    What I did was I practiced both my single target and aoe rotation on open world mobs and dummies until I was comfortable with them, out of respect for DF group. I'm not willing to slow down the whole group just for "learning" the job, because that seems selfish to me.

    When I take a break from the game and come back or play a job I haven't played in a while, I always practice solo to get back used to given job so I can perform well enough before I jump into DF.
    The difference is I understand your opinion. Your problem is not managing your expectations for the content you're in. Pugging is lottery and most pug content is aimed at casual players who don't do as much homework as some people. I made a long post about this many pages back but it was pretty long so I guess you ignored it. Or you are just completely unwilling to see that not every player is like you, not every player wants to be like you, and some players are simply unable to be like you.

    You seem to have a single player mentality in a mmo. Do your roulettes with people you know if you are so incapable of having any ounce of empathy for someone whose situation or opinion even vaguely differs to yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    The difference is I understand your opinion. Your problem is not managing your expectations for the content you're in. Pugging is lottery and most pug content is aimed at casual players who don't do as much homework as some people. I made a long post about this many pages back but it was pretty long so I guess you ignored it. Or you are just completely unwilling to see that not every player is like you, not every player wants to be like you, and some players are simply unable to be like you.

    You seem to have a single player mentality in a mmo. Do your roulettes with people you know if you are so incapable of having any ounce of empathy for someone whose situation or opinion even vaguely differs to yours.
    I didn't mean that post as a counterargument, was just letting you know where I'm coming from. I've already concluded to be at fault with my expectations.
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