Prepulling mobs as healer

[Reinha]

Pulling for the tank is kind of rude. I tend to run past slow tanks and jump in place just out of range of the next pack whilst dotting the first. That's usually enough to get them moving even if there is a language barrier.

[File2ish]

Some tanks just default to wall to wall pull, others will ask if big pulls are okay with the group, others will check the gear of the group before deciding a pace, and still others will go with singe pulls. Generally it is based on experience and comfort playing the role.

Healers come in as wide of a variety. Some healers are experts in their role and can handle wall to wall pulls with little effort, others prefer it as it feels more challenging to them, other can do it but may prefer smaller pulls, and less experienced/geared may fall short when facing large pulls.

Best thing to do, in my opinion, is at least check with them to see if they are willing to do big pulls an adapt to the situation. Cause as a healer I hate it when the tank does single pulls. At the same time though, when I tank (specifically in situations where I'm not well geared or the healer's gear is sub par) I hate it when the healer or a DPS runs off and pulls more than me. I get that it's more fun and efficient to just do big pulls, but not every group is the same when you do roulettes and pugs.

Cause everything will (generally) go fine unless you do big pulls and the DPS only single target mobs.

[Gemina]

Conclusion?: Reading this thread I see why the community is against this, even though I don't understand it, so I guess it served its purpose. I think I may not fit well in this community which in the end would be my fault and problem, not the community's.

....Or you can just tank.

Stop being such a defeatist. Your intentions are good, but the effort is unnecessary and unorthodox. You said it yourself in your OP, that you don't mind if the tank does small pulls. If that's the case, then why are you pulling more mobs?

Because the AiN is typically Tank for most duties, and during most times of the day, I encourage those who want to tank to actually queue up as one. If your intentions are about what's best for the community, then you need to look at the bigger picture and not just the instance you're in. If you're adamant against playing tank, or don't have one leveled, then just ride their heels. You'll get less gripes in the long run that way.

[SamRF]

....Or you can just tank.

Stop being such a defeatist. Your intentions are good, but the effort is unnecessary and unorthodox. You said it yourself in your OP, that you don't mind if the tank does small pulls. If that's the case, then why are you pulling more mobs?

Because the AiN is typically Tank for most duties, and during most times of the day, I encourage those who want to tank to actually queue up as one. If your intentions are about what's best for the community, then you need to look at the bigger picture and not just the instance you're in. If you're adamant against playing tank, or don't have one leveled, then just ride their heels. You'll get less gripes in the long run that way.

I main tank, but like to play as healer sometimes. Also tend to get much shorter queues as healer lately, tank tends to get near dps like queues for some duties while healer gets instant for same ones.

I'll be playing less healer now or maybe stop doing (overgeared) dungeons with them.

[Rita1989]

If your healer ask's you to pull more just do it plain and simple unless your brand new it's not difficult they have made tanking so much easier and at some point you should learn and if your healer is confident there is little reason to say no.

As a tank if a healer or dps pulled I just tank it and move on becoming a drama queen and letting the healer die doesn't help anyone to be honest and your hurting the rest of the party.

[Enla]

If your healer ask's you to pull more just do it plain and simple unless your brand new it's not difficult they have made tanking so much easier and at some point you should learn and if your healer is confident there is little reason to say no.

As a tank if a healer or dps pulled I just tank it and move on becoming a drama queen and letting the healer die doesn't help anyone to be honest and your hurting the rest of the party.

Confident doesn't automatically equate to good. I've had my fair share of fairly confident healers who asked for bigger pulls then couldn't keep the tank alive at all when their request was heeded, either through incompetence or trying to DPS when they really didn't have room for it.

As said before this should be a group choice. If the rest of the group talks it out and the majority agree to pull big then there's no harm and no foul. But if someone decides not to talk it out with the strangers they were tasked too cooperate with and instead decides to set the pace like many people are defending in this thread then they shouldn't be surprised if they receive some blow back. Most tanks will generally start increasing their pulls if asked and given wiggle room to get more comfortable once they know their healer isn't all talk and no show, but having a healer dump mobs on them when they aren't ready unsurprisingly is going to ruffle feathers for some people. Doubly so if the player starts coping an attitude like the OP was showing as it's pretty clear they /didn't/ ask.

[Gemina]

If your healer ask's you to pull more just do it plain and simple unless your brand new it's not difficult they have made tanking so much easier and at some point you should learn and if your healer is confident there is little reason to say no.

As a tank if a healer or dps pulled I just tank it and move on becoming a drama queen and letting the healer die doesn't help anyone to be honest and your hurting the rest of the party.

In most PUGs, healers and other ranged can't even be trusted to take a mob they have aggro on over to the tank, let alone do a strategic pull that doesn't have them waste that effort by having to use their ogcds on themselves. Of course, the best way to handle and diffuse a situation such as someone else pulling is simply to just do your job. They are still having to make you work harder though, even if its negligible. It's just isn't cool and poor etiquette. Players who want to pull just play tank. It's the role that is designed to do it.

[Sorimachi87]

Prepulling as a healer is a no-go for me. Intentionally or not. Even if tanks are sleeping with pulls, it is their duty to pull first.
I casually play this game and main whitemage. Played healers in other MMOs before. It just kind of stuck to me. Pulling -> Tank duty.

Other things are taking tank buster tethers for example. if i KNOW i can take it and the tank doesnt react, thats another thing. (just for the reference. i know topic is something else.. )

[Videra]

Speaking strictly as someone who plays both roles, if the healer gets ahead of me - I fucked up in some capacity. This goes vice versa for the person I'm healing, so it doesn't much bother me.

[Saefinn]

Speaking strictly as someone who plays both roles, if the healer gets ahead of me - I fucked up in some capacity. This goes vice versa for the person I'm healing, so it doesn't much bother me.

Not even necessarily the case. I'm thinking of the healer in Amdapor Hard I had the other day who sprinted ahead of the pull to only get caught in the Bad Breath of a Morbol I had already pulled. I'd have pulled bigger, but the same healer wiped us 3 times on the first boss and twice on the second and seemed to struggle in places on the pulls.