The problem with the mentor system

[Dogempire]

I'm honestly not really a fan of the commendation system being used as a metric because it's just a system that's exclusive for tanks and healers and dps only occasionally get commended, plus you ONLY get commendations when playing with randoms through the duty finder system, so if you have 100 clears of Hades, Titania, and Innocence, and 20+ clears of each savage raid you get literally nothing for it while the person with 300 clears of random normal mode content on a healer or tank will probably have picked up 200-300 commendations for it.

Obviously you don't need to do extreme or savage content to be a good mentor, but if I wanted someone to give me tanking advice and had to choose between someone who's been clearing savage content since Heavensward but rarely does roulettes because they don't need the rewards, or someone with 5000 commendations but hasn't touched a single extreme trial or savage raid, I'll go with the savage clearer.

Heck I would rather they went with a point system where for instance, leveling dungeons are 1 point, 50/60/70 dungeons are 2, level 80 content is 3 points, raids are worth 2 points, trials are worth 2 points, extreme trials are worth 4, savage clears are worth 10 points, ultimates are worth 30 points, etc and you just need x points instead of commendations.

[Jimmymagic]

I'm honestly not really a fan of the commendation system being used as a metric because it's just a system that's exclusive for tanks and healers and dps only occasionally get commended, plus you ONLY get commendations when playing with randoms through the duty finder system, so if you have 100 clears of Hades, Titania, and Innocence, and 20+ clears of each savage raid you get literally nothing for it while the person with 300 clears of random normal mode content on a healer or tank will probably have picked up 200-300 commendations for it.

Obviously you don't need to do extreme or savage content to be a good mentor, but if I wanted someone to give me tanking advice and had to choose between someone who's been clearing savage content since Heavensward but rarely does roulettes because they don't need the rewards, or someone with 5000 commendations but hasn't touched a single extreme trial or savage raid, I'll go with the savage clearer.

Heck I would rather they went with a point system where for instance, leveling dungeons are 1 point, 50/60/70 dungeons are 2, level 80 content is 3 points, raids are worth 2 points, trials are worth 2 points, extreme trials are worth 4, savage clears are worth 10 points, ultimates are worth 30 points, etc and you just need x points instead of commendations.

I like this idea its more relevant to experienced mentors vs. grind mentors.

[Illy_Peridot]

Heck I would rather they went with a point system where for instance, leveling dungeons are 1 point, 50/60/70 dungeons are 2, level 80 content is 3 points, raids are worth 2 points, trials are worth 2 points, extreme trials are worth 4, savage clears are worth 10 points, ultimates are worth 30 points, etc and you just need x points instead of commendations.

Wasn't one of the old requirements having cleared like 500 runs of instanced content? People got around that by just spamming story mode Ifrit. I can see this sort of thing happening again if they ever did something like this.

[Dogempire]

Wasn't one of the old requirements having cleared like 500 runs of instanced content? People got around that by just spamming story mode Ifrit. I can see this sort of thing happening again if they ever did something like this.

It beats the player commendation requirement considering it's a system that absentmindedly benefits healers and tanks and mostly ignores dps players, no matter how good they are.

Good tanking and healing is very easy to notice, dps only get noticed when things don't die fast enough or someone looks at their parser and sees one of the dps pulling ridiculous numbers, or in one-off situations where something happens like in Hades normal where everyone except 1 or 2 people gets hit by life in captivity and they have to watch helplessly as only 2 people are left to break them out.

Heck a lot of people have admitted on here that they just comm the healer/tank and for a dps to get a commendation they have to do something really noticeable like rezzing half the raid or having everyone die and then they finish off the boss themselves.

[SturmChurro]

Heck a lot of people have admitted on here that they just comm the healer/tank and for a dps to get a commendation they have to do something really noticeable like rezzing half the raid or having everyone die and then they finish off the boss themselves.

I can confirm when I play my red mage, save multiple people with heals, waste all my MP getting people up, etc. etc. I get no commendations. So just don't bother if commendations are your purpose. I get way more commendations sitting there half asleep spamming 1.

[Illy_Peridot]

It beats the player commendation requirement considering it's a system that absentmindedly benefits healers and tanks and mostly ignores dps players, no matter how good they are.

Good tanking and healing is very easy to notice, dps only get noticed when things don't die fast enough or someone looks at their parser and sees one of the dps pulling ridiculous numbers, or in one-off situations where something happens like in Hades normal where everyone except 1 or 2 people gets hit by life in captivity and they have to watch helplessly as only 2 people are left to break them out.

Heck a lot of people have admitted on here that they just comm the healer/tank and for a dps to get a commendation they have to do something really noticeable like rezzing half the raid or having everyone die and then they finish off the boss themselves.

I mean, the changes already helped weed out the people in it purely for the crown since so many of those sorts have been spotted asking for comms in party chat. And honestly regardless of what you play it's not that hard to amass comms; plenty of people admit to giving the comm to their fellow DPS because they specifically know they don't get them that often. I dunno how much better having people waving crowns around from spamming speedruns of old dungeons dozens of times would be an improvement in the quality of mentors over the comms.